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Sunday night meeting sounds fine, assuming I get feedback from alders after
their Friday night caucus.  I think I will.

The title wasn't filed yet, but I think that's OK.  We can do that sort of
announcement/introduction on 11/6 from the Common Council floor.  In any
case, debate won't be until 11/20 at the earliest.


_________________________________________________________________
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:37:50 -0600  "X" wrote:

&gt; Here is the CC mission, combining X's original plus what we
added/changed:

looks great to me.

&gt; Here is the agenda:
...
&gt; 4) Announcements
&gt; 5) Optional - Video

i thought more about the idea of having people who want to work on the
brochure get together for a little bit after the gm.  i started
thinking about all the other tasks we try to coordinate, particularly
things that have a lot of overlap between the different committees.  i
was also thinking about the need to make the general meetings more
productive and worth while for people to come to, since some people
have stopped coming because of their experience with long meetings
that didn't accomplish a whole lot.  i think that's gotten much
better, but our gms still have a reputation which we need to take big,
tangible steps towards overcoming.

i propose that at the end of the gm we have people split up into
working groups to accomplish specific things that need to be
organized.  we could have our own proposals as the cc and/or during
the meeting, anyone could suggest other topics.  my proposals for this
week:

1) working on the brochure
  - already discussed as a good idea

2) coordinating putting up posters
  - has lots of overlap between o/e, communications, volunteers, etc;
    it really needs to happen, particularly this week with so many
    events coming up soon...

3) coordinating the production of posters
  - has lots of overlap between o/e, arts, communications, action,
    media, etc; there are people not in any committee who are good at
    this who want to help us; it'd be good if there was some more
    consistancy to our publicity (all posters include the mapc logo
    and www.madpeace.org, a .pdf version of all of our posters should
    be posted on the web so anyone can download, print, copy, and hang
    them, etc); it's a lot of work, and it'd be good if there was a
    pool of people who could do it and each committee didn't have to
    find volunteers themselves; etc...

4) inital steps towards forming a labor caucus
  - see how many union folks are in the room and if they're interested
    in starting to work towards forming a caucus

in addition, we could use one of these working groups to coordinate
details of a specific event.  since we have less and less time in the
cc meetings to hash out lots of details, it might be good to have
people from different committees meet to coordinate some of the
details themselves, and get people right there who agree to take care
of certain tasks.  the people from these groups who could then be the
liasons between committees for the planning of the given event.  this
way, things like "who's going to pick up the art props for our demo on
the 17th planned by action?" can be taken care of without using up
time in a cc meeting.

this is a direct way to involve volunteers from the meeting in the
work of the coalition without them having to join a committee or
caucus.  it drastically cuts down on the time between when a new
person comes to a mapc meeting and when they can start to be involved
in the coalition's work.  it would help the committees get their work
accomplished.  i hope it would also start to break down the mentality
of "committee turf" which i see as developing into a minor problem
(all the concern over "who's responsibility is this task, committee X
or committee Y?").

for this week, if there's still work that needs to be done that we
don't have (enough) people working on, we could have groups to
coordinate that work for:

- the fast
- the teach-in on thursday
- the peace parade on the 17th
- the dance party at the cardinal
- the school supply event on the 30th
- the art auction
...

for each of our propoals, it would be best to find a coordinator or
facilitator ahead of time so at the end of the meeting, we could have
them stand up, announce their location, and have folks who are
interested in working on that go to their part of the room.  if folks
proposed something during the meeting, they could be the default
facilitator, or the chairs could make sure someone volunteers to do it
when the group is splitting up.

my apologies for not thinking of all of this before/during our meeting
since it would have been easier to discuss in person than over email.

do y'all think this is worth trying?  if so, let's put it on the
agenda as item #6 (or 5, if the video isn't happening):

6) Break up into working groups
 - working on mapc brochure (X/X)
 - forming labor caucus (X)
 - poster distribution (X/X)
 - poster production (?)
 ...

these are just ideas for facilitators (X + X were talking
about the brochure at the cc meeting, X and X are mentioned in
the e/o report...)  any volunteers for the others?  do folks think we
need one for any of the events i listed above?

what'd y'all think?


 In solidarity,

X
International Socialist Organization    (www.socialistworker.org)
United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223   (www.ufas.org)


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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xoxo 

D 




Subject: sacred sound on 11:11:11
From: X 
To: Mail/Light 1 , Mail/Light2 

This sounds like a good idea!
X


Dear Friends, 

We are asking for everyone's assistance in getting this
message circulated world wide ASAP so that all who
choose will be able to participate on Nov. 11th at 11:00AM.

A friend of a trusted friend and fellow Light worker, Jahn Starr, has been
guided by Spirit to have the vibration of SOUND go out
around the Planet to break away the last pieces of the old
vibration of discord and separation and to bring in more
fully and activate more completely the frequencies for
LOVE, PEACE AND BALANCE .

She was given a vision of a huge group of Angels over
Afganistan assisting everyone to be Love and Peace,
and then the same vision was repeated for the U.S. and
then again for the whole world. Just as we lit candles
for all those who gave thier lives and their loved ones
and their service on Sept 11th we are now being asked
to bring in the vibration of sound, for it is the vibrations
of sound ( the Word) and Light (The Creator energies, the
Christ energies), that will help to heal this Planet and all
beings on her. 

Wherever you are on Nov. 11th at 11:00AM (11-11-11)
please ring a bell, sound sacred tones with your voice, use
whatever sound/instrument you are guided to do. The
important thing is that we now need SOUND to help
the restoration of BALANCE on the planet.

This date is very important in world peace and
carries a very high Spiritual energy. If you are
called to join us , please make your Sacred Tones
on this day and help us get this information out by
sharing it with all you know as soon as possible.

I would like to suggest that for the 11:11 event, you have
people use the "AH" sound, in whatever key or tone feels
comfortable for them. This is an extremely powerful
sound--particularly useful for generating compassion.
I know you will agree that compassion is truly a key to
transformation of consciousness on this planet.

As you may know, the "AH"; sound is a sacred seed
syllable. It is found in most of the God and Goddess
names on the planet (Tara, Buddha, Krishna, Yah, ),
as well as many of the sacred words (Amen, Alleluia, Aum).
Most mystical traditions worldwide also find it to be the
sound of the heart chakra. Yet, as a vowel sound, it
defies denomination or description as a mantra and it is
acceptable by everyone.
- - - - - - - - - - -
X can be reached at X
if you need more information.

In Love, Peace and Divine Service,

http://xxx

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The following concurrent resolutions and Senate resolutions were read, and
referred (or acted upon), as indicated:

   By Mr. WELLSTONE:

   S. Res. 172. A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate regarding
the urgent need to provide emergency
humanitarian assistance and development assistance to civilians in
Afghanistan, including Afghan refugees in
surrounding countries; to the Committee on Foreign Relations.


SENATE RESOLUTION 172--EXPRESSING THE SENSE OF THE SENATE REGARDING THE
URGENT
NEED TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE AND DEVELOPMENT
ASSISTANCE TO CIVILIANS IN AFGHANISTAN, INCLUDING AFGHAN REFUGEES IN
SURROUNDING COUNTRIES

   Mr. WELLSTONE submitted the following resolution; which was referred to
the Committee on Foreign Relations:

   S. Res. 172

   Whereas, well before the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001,
Afghanistan was the site of the greatest crisis of
hunger and displacement in the world;

   Whereas, after more than 20 years of conflict, 3 years of severe drought,
and the repressive policies of the Taliban
regime, 4,000,000 Afghans had sought refuge in neighboring countries, and
Afghan women have one of the highest
maternal mortality rates in the world, and one in four children dies before
the child's fifth birthday;

   Whereas the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimates that
1,500,000 additional Afghans could
seek to flee the country in coming months due to the ongoing military
conflict;

   Whereas all 6 countries neighboring Afghanistan have closed their borders
to refugees both on security grounds and
citing an inability to economically provide for more refugees, and thousands
have been trapped at borders with no
food, shelter, water, or medical care;

   Whereas 7,500,000 people inside Afghanistan face critical food shortages
or risk starvation by winter's end, and are
partially or fully dependent on outside assistance for survival, and of
these people, 70 percent are women and
children;

   Whereas the United Nations World Food Program (WFP), which distributes
most of the food within Afghanistan,
estimates that food stocks in the country are critically short, and WFP
overland food shipments inside and outside the
border of Afghanistan have been disrupted due to security concerns over
United States military strikes;

   Whereas airdrops of food by the United States military cannot by itself
meet the enormous humanitarian needs of the
Afghan people, and cannot replace the most effective delivery method of
overland truck convoys of food, nor can it
replace access to affected populations by humanitarian agencies;

   Whereas the President has announced a $320,000,000 initiative to respond
to the humanitarian needs in Afghanistan
and for Afghan refugees in neighboring countries, and much more
international assistance is clearly needed; and

   Whereas the United States is the single largest donor of humanitarian
assistance to the Afghan people, totaling more
than $185,000,000 in fiscal year 2001: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved,

   SECTION 1. SENSE OF THE SENATE ON HUMANITARIAN AND DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE
FOR THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN.

    It is the sense of the Senate that--

    (1) Afghanistan's neighbors should reopen their borders to allow for the
safe passage of refugees, and the
international community must be prepared to contribute to the economic costs
incurred by the flight of desperate
Afghan civilians;

    (2) as the United States engages in military action in Afghanistan, it
must work to deliver assistance, particularly
through overland truck convoys, and safe humanitarian access to affected
populations, in partnership with humanitarian
agencies in quantities sufficient to alleviate a large scale humanitarian
catastrophe; and

    (3) the United States should contribute to efforts by the international
community to provide long-term, sustainable
reconstruction and development assistance for the people of Afghanistan,
including efforts to protect the basic human
rights of women and children.

   Mr. WELLSTONE. Mr. President, even before the world focused on it as a
sanctuary for Osama bin Laden and
other terrorists, Afghanistan was on the brink of a humanitarian
catastrophe, the site of the greatest crisis in hunger and
refugee displacement in the world. Now the worsening situation on the ground
is almost unimaginable. After 4 years of
relentless drought, the worst in three decades, and the total failure of the
Taliban government in administering the
country, 4 million people have abandoned their homes in search of food in
Pakistan, Iran, Tajikistan, and elsewhere,
while those left behind eat meals of locusts and animal fodder.

   Mr. President, 7.5 million people inside the country are threatened by
famine or severe hunger as cold weather
approaches, according to the United Nations.

   As President Bush made clear, we are waging a campaign against
terrorists, not ordinary Afghans, who are some of
the poorest and most beleaguered people on the planet and were our allies
during the cold war.

   Yet, the current military air strikes and the disintegration of security
is worsening the humanitarian situation on the
ground.

   Aid organizations are increasingly concerned about their ability to
deliver aid to Afghanistan while the United States
continues its bombing campaign. Several aid organizations have been
accidentally bombed by the United States in the
last week. In addition to these accidental bombings, law and order are
breaking down inside Afghanistan. Reports
indicate that thieves have broken into several aid organization offices,
beat up the Afghan staff and stolen vehicles,
spare parts, and other equipment.

   Warehouses of the International Red Cross in Kabul were bombed yesterday.
The ICRC says that the warehouses
were clearly marked white with a large red cross visible from the air. One
worker was wounded and is now in stable
condition. One warehouse suffered a direct hit, which destroyed tarpaulins,
plastic sheeting, and blankets, while
another containing food caught on fire and was partially destroyed. The
Pentagon claimed responsibility for the
bombing later in the day, adding that they ``regret any innocent
casualties,'' and that the ICRC warehouses were part
of a series of warehouses that the United States believed were used to store
military equipment. ``There are huge
needs for the civilian population, and definitely it will hamper our
operations,'' Robert Monin, head of the International
Red Cross' Afghanistan delegation, said on Islamabad, Pakistan.

   Another missile struck near a World Food Program warehouse in Afsotar,
wounding one laborer. The missile struck
as trucks were being loaded for an Oxfam convoy to the Hazarajat region,
where winter will begin closing off the
passes in the next two weeks. Loading was suspended and the warehouse
remains closed today.

   Last week, four U.N. workers for a demining operation were accidentally
killed when a bomb struck their office in
Kabul.

   In response to the dangers threatening humanitarian operations, the

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Oxfam America President said, ``It is now evident that we cannot, in
reasonable safety, get food to hungry Afghan
people. We've reached the point where it is simply unrealistic for us to do
our job in Afghanistan. We've run out of
food, the borders are closed, we can't reach our staff, and time's running
out.''

   The World Food Program was feeding 3.8 million people a day in
Afghanistan even before the bombing campaign
began. These included 900,000 internally displaced people at camps. Although
the United States military has dropped
thousands of ready to eat meals, everyone agrees that only truck convoys can
move sufficient food into Afghanistan
before winter. As of last Friday, there were only two convoys confirmed to
have gotten though. WFP announced that
two more convoys since the bombing campaign started were nearing Kabul.

   Complications and delays in delivering emergency food supplies to
Afghanistan could cause rising death rates from
starvation and illness as

   winter sets in. Many of the high mountain passes will be closed by
mid-November due to 20-30 foot snows.

   Aid agencies are falling behind in their efforts to deliver enough
emergency relief to Afghans to avoid a large loss of
life this winter. UNICEF estimates that, in addition to the total of 300,000
Afghan children who die of ``preventable
causes'' each year, 100,000 more children might die this winter from hunger
and disease.

   The main reasons for this shortfall in aid are related to security
concerns. Aid agencies have withdrawn their
international staff, and local staff have attempted to continue the aid
programs but have been subjected to intimidation,
theft, and harassment. As the United States continues to pound Taliban
targets, law and order in some cities is
reportedly also breaking down. Truck drivers are unwilling to deliver
supplies to some areas for fear of being bombed
by the United States, or being attacked by one faction or another. Taliban
supporters have obstructed aid deliveries
on some occasions.

   Despite these nightmares, shipment of food and nonfood emergency items
arrive in Afghanistan daily--but the total
shipped is only about one-half of what is needed. The situation is
particularly urgent as some of the poorest and most
needy areas will be cut off from overland routes by mid-November. An
estimated 600,000 people in the Central
Highlands are dependent upon international food aid, and little is on hand
for them now.

   The food shortfall in Afghanistan may result in an increased flow of
refugees to the borders. A flood of refugees to
the border would present a different but also challenging set of problems.
Clearly, as everyone has said, it is better for
them to remain at home than flee to neighboring countries out of hunger.

   There is no easy solution to this humanitarian crisis. It is complex and
requires the international community to take
urgent and imaginative action to boost the flow of food inside. The United
States should take the lead in helping to
devise aggressive and imaginative ways to expand the delivery of food. These
could include the creation of
humanitarian corridors, the use of existing commercial trading companies and
air deliveries to airports that have not yet
been bombed.

   The establishment of humanitarian ground and air corridors should be
considered for the secure transportation and
distribution of emergency aid. The administration should push to have some
roads or air routes in areas of limited
conflict be designated as protected humanitarian routes. Such possible
ground and air corridors include Northern
Alliance held territory along the border of Tajikstan, and Northern Alliance
airfields which have not been bombed.
These airfields could be used for a Berlin style airlift to get massive
amounts of aid into the country quickly.

   The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimates that 1.5
million additional Afghans could seek to flee
the country in coming months due to the ongoing military conflict.

   All six countries neighboring Afghanistan have closed their borders to
refugees both on security grounds and citing
an inability to economically provide for more refugees. Thousands have been
trapped at borders with no food, shelter,
water, or medical care.

   I am introducing a resolution today which addresses this crisis. The text
of the resolution states the following:

   Afghanistan's neighbors should reopen their borders to allow for the safe
passage of refugees, and the international
community must be prepared to contribute to the economic costs incurred by
the flight of desperate Afghan civilians;

   As the United States engages in military action in Afghanistan, it must
work to deliver assistance, particularly through
overland truck convoys, and safe humanitarian access to affected
populations, in partnership with humanitarian
agencies in quantities sufficient to alleviate a large scale humanitarian
catastrophe;

   The United States should contribute to efforts by the international
community to provide long-term, sustainable
reconstruction and development assistance for the people of Afghanistan,
including efforts to protect the basic human
rights of women and children.

   I urge my colleagues to support this measure.

   Mr. President, I spoke yesterday in this Chamber in relation to this
resolution I am submitting today. I will offer this
as an amendment on legislation to have a vote.

   I think we in America are probably as united as we can be as a people,
especially when it comes to our horror and
sadness, indignation and anger at the innocent slaughter of so many people,
so many Americans.

   In response to that, a resolution was passed authorizing the use of
force, targeted on those who committed this act,
hopefully drawing a distinction between justice and vengeance.

   I think most of us also believe--and certainly Secretary Powell has said
this more than once, as it is terribly
important--that the use of force, the military action, must be as targeted
as possible; that every step be taken that is
humanly possible to avoid innocent people being killed, innocent Afghans who
had nothing to do with the murders in
our country.

   I worry to the extent that there are reports that innocent people have
been killed in the bombing. I certainly worry
about that. Our country wants to avoid that. Moreover, there is also the
whole question of the Islamic world and how
people respond to this. So, again, I will make the point that this has to be
as carefully targeted as possible.

   But the other issue, which I do not think we have paid enough attention
to--and I had a chance to write a piece for
the Boston Globe a couple weeks ago, and I am going to start speaking about
this in the Chamber more, and I think
there is a lot of strong bipartisan interest and support for this--is the
whole question of this humanitarian crisis in
Afghanistan.

   The reports are there are about 7.5 million people who go hungry. We do
not know how many hundreds of
thousands could starve to death this winter if we do not get food to people.

   The problem is, though there has been a lot of discussion about the
airdrops, maybe a half of 1 percent, maybe 1
percent at best, doesn't do the job. The only way we can get the food to
people is through the truck convoys, and
now not nearly enough of this is happening.

   Different organizations, the NGOs, the nongovernment organizations, food
relief organizations, are all saying on
present course they may be able to get enough food for half the people who
need it at best. In 3 or 4 weeks there will
be cold winter weather, and we will see pictures of innocent, starving
Afghan children. That is a fact.

   The resolution calls upon our Government to take stronger measures, with
a more focused effort to get the food to
people. That will be complicated. Part of it involves people who will still
be trying to leave Afghanistan. Some of the
neighboring countries have to open up their borders. Those people have been
stopped at the borders. Then there are
the people who don't leave. And the conditions in the refugee camps have to
be dramatically improved.

   The fact is, the people who don't leave are the poorest of the poor. They
are the elderly, the infirmed; they are the
children. They are the ones about whom we all worry. There have been
intermittent reports--quite often when you try
to confirm it, it is not clear what happened--that the Taliban itself

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has taken some of the food. Many organizations are saying with the bombing
the truck convoys can't go through.

   I am not making an argument for cessation of bombing. I argue it be as
targeted as possible and to avoid in every
way possible bombing innocent people. There has to be a way, whether it is
the creation of safe corridors,
coordinated with military activity or whatever to get these truck convoys in
to get the food to people. Time is not
neutral. We are going to deeply regret if we don't take these steps.

   The resolution expresses the sense of the Senate regarding the urgent
need to provide humanitarian assistance to the
civilians of Afghanistan. Well before the terrorist attack of September 11,
this was the site of great hunger and
displacement in the world.

   Whereas, after more than 20 years of conflict, 3 years of severe drought
and the repressive policies of the Taliban
regime, 4 million Afghans have sought refuge in neighboring countries, and
Afghan women have one of the highest
maternal mortality rates in the world, and one in four children dies before
the child's fifth birthday; whereas the United
Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimates that 1,500,000 additional
Afghans could seek to flee the country
in the coming months due to the military conflict; whereas all six countries
neighboring Afghanistan have closed their
borders to refugees both on security grounds and are also saying they can't
provide for the refugees economically;
whereas 7,500,000 people inside Afghanistan face critical food shortages or
risk starvation by winter's end and are
partially or fully dependent on outside assistance for survival, and of
these people 70 percent are women and children;
whereas the United Nations World Food Program, which we commonly call the
WFP, which distributes most of the
food within Afghanistan, estimates that food stocks in the country are
critically short and WFP overland food
shipments inside and outside the border of Afghanistan have been disrupted
due to security concerns over United
States military strikes; whereas the airdrops of food cannot meet the
humanitarian needs of the Afghan people--and
there is more to

   it, but I do not have the time--and that the most effective delivery is
the overland convoys of food; whereas the
President has announced a $320 million initiative to respond to the
humanitarian needs in Afghanistan and for Afghan
refugees in neighboring countries; whereas the United States is the largest
donor of humanitarian assistance, be it
resolved--and this is what I am hoping to get a strong vote on--it is the
sense of the Senate that, A, Afghanistan's
neighbors should reopen their borders to allow for safe passage of refugees,
and the international community must be
prepared to contribute to the economic costs incurred by the flight of
desperate Afghan civilians; B, as the United
States engages in military action in Afghanistan, it must work to deliver
assistance particularly through overland truck
convoys and safe humanitarian access to affected populations in partnership
with humanitarian agencies--that is
critical--and C, the United States should contribute to efforts by the
international community to provide long-term
sustainable reconstruction and development assistance for the people of
Afghanistan, including efforts to protect the
basic human rights of women and children.

   I announce this resolution today, which will be in the form of an
amendment on the first vehicle for a vote, because it
is critically important for the Senate to go on record with an intense and
focused effort because it is who we are. It is
our values to make sure these truck convoys can go forward and we can get
the food to people.

   A, it is who we are as a nation. It is about the values we live by and,
frankly, B, it is national interest. If you have
juxtaposed with military actions pictures of starving Afghan children in the
winter to come, that will be used against us.
We know it will be used against us. We do not want to see that happen.

   I am hoping there will be a strong message from the Senate to work with
the administration, to work with the
NGOs, to work with the food relief organizations. We have to put a focus on
this.
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Hi committee,
x and I will talk soon about a city resolution.  Can you
remind me what other alders we're approaching on this?
   Also, does someone have x's home number?  I'd like to call
Sunday night if I turn up anything interesting over the weekend, and see how
the arrangements are going for the visit to Feingold's on Monday.
   Thanks.
   x

=====================================================================


    From: x
    To: x &lt;x&gt;
    Subject: Re: city resolution for peace
    Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:55:31 -0500

    I have a fundraiser for work tonight and commitments from 9 am - 5
    tomorrow, am interested in talking with you about this, what other
alders
    is the coalition approaching?
    x

    ======================================== "x"
    &lt;x&gt; wrote:
    Dear Ms. x:

             I am writing as a constituent and member of the newly-formed
Madison Area Peace Coalition (http://www.madpeace.org).  We are a citizen
coalition of over thirty member organizations, representing over 5000 people
in the Madison area.  Madison Area Peace Coalition (MAPC) supports a
non-violent response to the attacks of 9/11.  Specifically, we advocate:

(1) Peace and Justice, not War and Revenge
(2) Protecting our Civil Liberties, and
(3) Unity and Protection of Arab-Americans and Others in the wake of the
attacks.


           I am writing to request your assistance in introducing a
resolution to the Common Council endorsing some portion of our position.

           I would look forward to discussing with you the wording that
might be acceptable.  My initial thought is to draft a statement such as:
"The city of Madison urges immediate action on the developing humanitarian
crisis as the priority of the U.S. government in Afghanistan."

           I will try phoning you in the evening or this weekend to discuss
this issue with you.

    Sincerely,
    x
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X and the rest of the Policy WG/C&lt;

Thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into this.  For others out
in
discuss-land, X and I have been in close contact throughout this
process.

I'm in progress of contacting tthe three most progresive alders on tthis
issue
and hopefully will connect with some yet tonight--Wednesday, noon is the
deadline to get the resolution to the clerk's office by one of tthe alders.
( I
know them since I spent the last 6 years on the Council.)

I absolutely believe that this can't and shouldn't be put off or abandoned.
It
will give both the supportive alders and people from the community to come
out
in full force to, hopefully, jam the halls of the Council meeting room --
you
should all pencil it in on your calendars for 11/20; meeting begins at
6:30pm,
but when this issue will come up depends on where it's located on the
agenda.

It will get people speaking up about the issues, both community and our
representatives and I do think the Council will look really bad if they
don't
pass something comparable to our resolution (I'm sure the "weaker" one would
be
the "winner" of the two, and even that may be watered down, but if we don't
bring this up now  --that humanitarian aid should be allowed to be dropped
safely and have the bombing stop -- than when???????

Both the Council alders and the community will survive this, no matter what
the
final decision is that the Council makes that night.  We shall not be hurt
by
this, even if it were to take the worst case scenario and have nothing pass.
The Council will simply be seen for what it is on this, and those who
support it
will have that to be proud of and we will be proud of them.  If we gain
support
by the majority, it will be glorius!

I certainly don't think it will create any animosity that doesn't already
exist
on that body, so that shouldn't be a problem.

I'll let X and the Policy WG/C know what I can further find out from
certain alders and I'm sure that Policy will get back to all of us.  But,
definitely, as some MAPC'ers pointed out at our last GM, we have in the past
and
should once again this, come out in great numbers and strength Nov. 20
supporting the resolution and those alders who support it!

X

X wrote:

&gt; Hi Everyone,
&gt;    The Policy Committee continues to push to get a peace resolution
debated
&gt; in the Common Council, but will not have concrete progress to report
&gt; tomorrow night.
&gt;    We have been very actively contacting the progressive alders, but now
we
&gt; need to step back for a day or two (again) to give them a chance to
respond.
&gt;    A common reaction from the alders is that it is problematic to
introduce
&gt; a resolution that gets only a few votes.  This could send the message that
&gt; the city isn't for peace, or jepardize future resolutions on the same
issue.
&gt;   So our proposed resolution may end up
&gt; being debated after Thanksgiving if at all--we'll know soon.
&gt;    It's interesting.  One school of thought seems to be that even
&gt; introduction of a resolution is positive since it generates debate.
Another
&gt; school is that some collegiality among progressive alders must be
preserved,
&gt; divisiveness must be avoided, and you don't want to waste political
capital
&gt; on something that has no chance of passing.
&gt;    What do you think?
&gt;    Should we do a County resolution, too?
&gt;
&gt; Regards,
&gt; X, Policy Committee
&gt; XXX-XXXX (day)
&gt; XXX-XXXX (evening)
&gt;
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Hi Everyone,
    Good news:  X has indicated he might co-sponsor the strong
resolution if we get someone else to sponsor as well.
    Now we're hoping to convince X to be our lead sponsor.  TX
told me he could "free up" some time on Saturday to sit down with us.  I
agreed to call him at 11am on Saturday to pin down a time to meet him later
that day.
    I realize this is less than ideal, not having a definite time.
    But why don't you give me the best way to contact you all at 11am
Saturday (if you'll be around at all), and I'll make a point to call you as
soon as I establish a time with X.
    I have a car and can pick up people.  X appears to live on the near
west side, a stone's throw from campus.
   Thanks everyone!

--X
&gt;XXX-XXXX (work)
&gt; XXX-XXXX (home)
&gt;
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_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy


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PLEASE FORWARD.

The war in Afghanistan is far from over.  It simply has moved into a new
phase since the US has not succeeded in pacifying the country and
reintegrating it back into the "global system".  The killing, the
massacres and the starvation, will continue as will the inter-ethnic
violence.  The Taliban has retreated but is not finished.  And neither
is the US strategic project for the region.

The "peace movement" must not be lulled simply because the B-52s have
stopped for now. Or simply because women can move about in relative
freedom, and men can shave and fly kites in Kabul.  The work of the
School of the Americas goes on and the new repressive legislation, the
war against domestic dissent passed in the name of a "war on terrorism,"
will continue well into the future.

It is VITALLY IMPORTANT that we get a large turnout at MATC/TRUAX on
Saturday!  Continue to spread the word and do come!


_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Hi Everyone,
   Thanks to cable access, I heard Feingold's 12:30pm speech at the Pyle
Center yesterday at about 8pm in the comfort of my own home.
   Feingold praised the UN, but also spoke at length about its shortcomings.
  He supports the Administration's bombing policies as self-defense, and was
awfully understanding about the difficulty getting facts on what's going on
over there.  Only one spontaneous question was asked--about the humanitarian
crisis, wouldn't Feingold support a stop to the bombing for that?  Feingold
said he might support a temporary stop, in order to deliver food.
   It's sobering that even our best politicians can be so cold-hearted.
Still, it does tell us where we stand.  If we could get Feingold and others
to act on this, it would be a great victory.
   I think our committee could help the Outreach Committee with Talking
Points possibly.
   See you tomorrow!

X
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Just thought I'd pass along this summary of a few humanitarian aid
organizations' positions.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2001/1029-07.htm

X

_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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X, et.al.:
The important thing to keep in mind is tha "tactics" are always shaped
and dewtermined by several considerations.  Primary is the message, how
and what you want to reach the public with, that is, how you go about
putting forward some politics.  That in turn is always determined by the
"correlation of forces" not only on the ground at the location, but the
general public mood, the receptivity of a broader audience.  We, at this
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careful about suggesting actions or forms of protest.

FLexibility, the ability to read the situation, is key so that some
indiviuals/individualists don't get too far out in front.

A guideline might be "No stupid shit!"

There have been discussions about this gathering for weeks now.  I don't
recall your presence at any of the meetings.  Now, but days before, you
want to initiate a discussion via e-mail, not the best place.
-AR
PS:: Please forward this to the various lists that I'm not on.

On Mon, 12
Nov 2001,  X wrote:

&gt; Hello,
&gt;
&gt; 	I know many people are worried about the "law and order"
&gt; response to the Peace Parade scheduled for this coming Sat. (11/17)
&gt; at 12:00 Noon outside the gates of Truax Air Force Base near MATC in
&gt; Madison.  It is hard to predict what will happen.  Having been in
&gt; lots of protests, I tend to prepare for the worst and I would
&gt; encourage others to do the same.  No matter what we call the event -
&gt; parade, vigil, protest, march, memorial, etc. etc. - the reaction may
&gt; be exactly the same by the police.
&gt;
&gt; 	In terms of direct action, I agree with many others that the
&gt; "least threatening" tactics are preferable.  Personally, I'm not in
&gt; favor of blocking the gates, climbing the fence, or otherwise
&gt; creating a situation where authorities feel compelled to respond
&gt; and/or arrest people.  Of course, they could still pepperspray
&gt; someone for merely carrying a bouquet of flowers - such are the times
&gt; we live in...
&gt;
&gt; At any rate, three relatively "mellow" and somewhat "fun" direct
&gt; action tactics people have been tossing around for Saturday's event
&gt; include:
&gt;
&gt; 1.) Decorating the fence with statements of resistance, demands for
&gt; peace, etc. etc. - this could include poems, quotes, balloons, paper
&gt; cranes, posters, large photos of Afghani children, etc. etc.  This
&gt; tactic worked very well in Quebec at the FTAA protests and got a lot
&gt; of media coverage.
&gt;
&gt; 2.) Mock minefield with similar looking "cluster bombs" and "food
&gt; packages" strewn along the roadside and entrance that people could
&gt; pick up and discover their fate by reading the explanation on the
&gt; bottom.  The UW Greens in conjunction with the International Campaing
&gt; to Ban Landmines has done similar mock minefields on UW Library Mall
&gt; with a good public response.
&gt;
&gt; 3.) Propaganda flights with people making paper "F-16s" out of copies
&gt; of the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Geneva Convention, photos of
&gt; refugees, etc. etc. and tossing them over the fence.  This tactic has
&gt; been used by solidarity groups  - a common nickname is the "Zapatista
&gt; Airforce."
&gt;
&gt; 	At any rate, these "mild" direct action tactics (and possible
&gt; others) I hope can be discussed at the Student Youth Caucus meeting
&gt; tonight and at the full MAPC meeting tomorrow.  Hopefully, there is
&gt; enough space and trust within the coalition umbrella for such
&gt; activities to occur.
&gt;
&gt; 						Thanks - X, Madison
&gt;


_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Hi all,

I'm back from work and the media coverage is different than this
morning. This morning, TV had reported it as "deploying ground troops."
Now the media is characterizing it as "a handful of U.S. special forces."
Given that description, it looks like we do not need to employ our
emergency response today. What a relief!  However, I think we need to
be READY if troops are sent in. Given the quick nature in which this
may happen, I opt for planning our strategy now so we don't have to
scramble later. I think a picket line would be the most expedient course,
especially given the fact that we've already had numerous
rallies. Also, a picket line is a lot less work to organize than a rally.
Rallies involve amplification, multiple speakers, musicians, etc. We would
need the following to be ready if we decide on a picket line: press release,
press contacts, bullhorn or portable sound system (or both), picket signs,
chant sheets, and MAPC literature. These tasks cross over multiple
committees so I think we ought to decide now what we want to do and
start preparing within the committees--then we won't be in a crisis
mode later.

Thoughts?

Peace,
x


----- Original Message -----
From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
To: &lt;x&gt;; &lt;x&gt;
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM
Subject: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting Ground Troops


&gt; CNN is reporting a small deployment of Special Forces ground troops,
&gt; probably intended to locate targets for air strikes rather than to engage
in
&gt; combat.  Fox News is reporting three teams of a dozen troops each.  One of
&gt; them reported that there had been numerous prior sightings of U.S. troops,
&gt; but that this was the first official confirmation.  It's not the top story
&gt; either place.
&gt;
&gt; My recollection from the CC discussions was that an emergency response
would
&gt; be automatic in the event of a non-Special Forces ground invasion or a
&gt; *major* deployment of Special Forces, but that a small Special Forces
&gt; deployment would not necessarily trigger an emergency action.
&gt;
&gt; I would also note that, in the two hours since x posted this, there has
&gt; been no other discussion of an action on any of the MAPC lists.  So I
don't
&gt; get the impression that other folks in MAPC have interpreted this as
&gt; requiring immediate action.
&gt;
&gt; My own feeling -- perhaps influenced by the fact that I'm sick and can't
&gt; help out regardless -- is that this is not a significant military
escalation
&gt; and is probably just a public acknowledgment of what has been happening on
&gt; the ground all along.
&gt;
&gt; x
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; To: &lt;x&gt;; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:53 AM
&gt; Subject: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting Ground Troops
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; The media is saying that the US has sent ground troops into Afghanistan.
&gt; We
&gt; &gt; had planned on a 5pm action on the capitol in response to this. I think
we
&gt; &gt; should go ahead, but given all the other things we are doing, we should
&gt; keep
&gt; &gt; it simple.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I propose we just have a picket line. The following things need to be
&gt; done:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Get an announcement out to WORT to build the action.
&gt; &gt; Get a bullhorn.
&gt; &gt; Put together a sheet of chants.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; What do you think?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Unfortunately, I am walking out the door to go to work, so I can't help
on
&gt; &gt; this. Given the fact its a work day, I suspect alot of other people are
in
&gt; &gt; the same boat. Can someone step up and run with this?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thanks.
&gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt;
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I spose I could give facilitation a try next week.  And book the room.
Whose name is it booked under?  ISO?
----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;X&gt;
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: [MAPC-coord] next meeting


&gt; 2 important items we missed -
&gt;
&gt; 1) Need to book room for next cc meeting.
&gt; 2) Need to select facilitator for next cc meeting, who will put the draft
&gt; agenda together.  Trying to remember who has done this aleady - X,
&gt; X, X, me.
&gt;
&gt; Volunteers for the above, anyone??
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I'll wait until after the GM meeting to post our notes, so
the
&gt; proposal votes can occur uninfluenced by our discussions.  Also, it will
&gt; give those of us making contacts a chance to do so before the contactee
&gt; reads about it online.  Otherwise, X's notes look pretty good to go to
&gt; me, shouldn't need much editing.
&gt;
&gt; peace, X
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A few additions/revisions/comments:

(1)  ADD:  "Structure of coordinating committee (Do we need an X?)"
This should probably come after the purpose/mission discussion.  [My concern
here is twofold:  First, we've had a number of administrative lapses -- like
no one having responsibility for reserving rooms for CC meetings.  Second,
e-mail is proving to be a rather sluggish way to deal with issues that need
to be decided quickly, such as the "Is this an emergency?" question from
last weekend, or even the "Where do we hold the general membership meeting?"
question.  X we need an X for the CC -- someone who is responsible for
making sure those adminisrative details get covered, and for making phone
calls to CC members when e-mail isn't fast enough.]

(2)  CHANGE:  "Funding" to "Report back from Student/Youth Caucus".  This
should come before the discussion of additional at large CC members.

(3)  ADD:  The usual round table of Working Group reports/updates

(4)  COMMENT:  Regarding "Additional at large members selection", it was
pointed out to me that the three existing at-large members were elected on a
temporary basis.  I can't recall what the final definition of "temporary"
was, or even if there was one.  Do we need to put all five at-large seats up
for election, or just fill the two empty ones?

X


----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;X&gt;
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:18 AM
Subject: [MAPC-coord] Sunday meeting reminders and agenda


&gt; Fellow outies,
&gt;
&gt; Here is what I have so far for agenda.  These are mostly left from the
last
&gt; meeting.  If you have additional items, please send to me by Sunday noon
or
&gt; bring with you to the meeting.  These are not in any particular order at
&gt; this point.
&gt;
&gt; - Purpose/mission for cc (bring your proposals)
&gt; - Approval of previous meeting minutes (may be moot point as they are
posted
&gt; already)
&gt; - Additional at large members selection (bring your proposals)
&gt; - GM meeting - select facilitators
&gt; - GM meeting - prepare agenda
&gt; - GM meeting - seems like location will be back up for discussion
&gt; - GM meeting - how much should we pay for meeting space
&gt; - Being proactive for emergency actions
&gt; - Funding (not sure of the exact issue, left from last meeting)
&gt; - International Solidarity
&gt;
&gt; I had an action item to compose a Welcome document to distribute at the
&gt; meeting, I will bring this for commentary.
&gt;
&gt; We will need someone to take notes.  I can bring my laptop, but won't be
&gt; able to both take notes and facilitate at the same time.
&gt;
&gt; X, do you have another outie from Arts that needs to get added to
this
&gt; mail list?  Otherwise, please pass on to whomever will be representing
Arts
&gt; at the meeting.
&gt;
&gt; peace,
&gt; X
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next MAPC-CC meeting:

sunday, 10/21
4pm - 6pm
memorial union (TITU)

i got confirmation this morning.  they assured me it'll be
accessible.  i also requested the same room (board room), but they
can't tell me if we got it or not... we've just gotta check titu.

-x

p.s.  i just found out i might have to be out of town for work this
weekend.  when i find out for sure i'll let y'all know.
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Hello,

I've added you to my mapc-cc group at Yahoo! Groups, a free,
easy-to-use email group service. As a member of this group, you
may send messages to the entire group using just one email address:
X Yahoo! Groups also makes it easy to
store photos and files, coordinate events, and more.

Here's a description of the group:
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Coordinating committee email group for the Madison Area Peace Coalition.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's my introductory message for you:
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Hello,

Welcome to the mapc-cc group at Yahoo! Groups, a
free, easy-to-use email group service. Please
take a moment to review this message.

To learn more about the mapc-cc group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mapc-cc

To start sending messages to members of this group, simply
send email to
mapc-cc@yahoogroups.com

If you do not wish to belong to mapc-cc, you may
unsubscribe by sending an email to
mapc-cc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

To see and modify all of your groups, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups


Regards,

Moderator, mapc-cc
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&gt; Bombing Afghanistan is in NO WAY defending my life.  As far as I'm
&gt; concerned, it is further endangering it and every one else in the world.
&gt; Killing innocents in Afghanistan or anywhere else is pathetic and
&gt; inexcusable.

Well...killing innocents does nothing, obviously - but killing those who are
sworn to commit mass murder on us seems to me to be a defensive measure.
This doesn't seem like a very fruitful line of moral reasoning.

==========================================
X - University of Wisconsin
-&gt; Political Science - Criminal Justice
--&gt; email X
---&gt; visit X
----&gt; PGP OK! - PGP ID: 71CEEC76
------------------------------------------
"In no other country in the world is the love of property keener or more
alert than in the United States, and nowhere else does the majority display
less inclination toward doctrines which in any way threaten the way property
is owned."
- Alexis de Toucqueville


_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss


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If we have an action tomorrow this will also be covered.

&gt;From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt;To: x
&gt;Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:12:57 -0400
&gt;
&gt;x, I'd like to suggest that you add 'first reports of American 
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