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X wrote: 

 Hey, all.  Sorry about my abrupt departure Sunday.  My sister's been watching my kids for me during meetings, and has other commitments to get to in the evening; don't mean to be rude.I'm writing to do the follow up X requested on the "People for People, People for Peace" event.  I hope this will be a clear and read-able version of what I spewed at you in the meeting, something you can work with and convey to your groups. From all committees we request the following: that anyone and everyone possible make a leafleting piece for the "Information and Inspiration" table.  This is the booth where folks can pick up materials to keep, pass to friends, canvas.  This is all unofficial stuff, not MAPC affiliated, necessarily, but info that people can use for encouragement and proliferation of the peace message.  They can be gentle and non-political, or informative and opinionated, or specifically targeting one problem with the war, etc, etc.  If those doing one of these could bring 20 or so copies to the event, that would be great.  Otherwise, you can attach it in an email to me: X That you support in whatever way possible our campaign to get the word out on this event.  I have some individuals who have volunteered to leaflet, but we may need more help as the event approaches.  I'll keep you posted. Please bring forth suggestions on food donations, musical and kids' acts, and anything else that would help us run this smoothly and make it fun. Additionally, most of you (we hope) will be doing some sort of booth/table for the event. (as suggested below) We have eight tables reserved right now --we will definitely be asking for more.  But, the gist is that you'll all have a six-foot table to work with, and other than that, please see that your information is presented nicely and attractively, perhaps with a sign designating your area, with someone to stand there and be in charge of it! Now, for the individual committee items and efforts that we're requesting... Action:bring materials for a table on upcoming MAPC events, perhaps a sign up sheet for further notification of events, or informative materials -- yours is the most ambiguous.  Use this venue as you see fit...Please keep in mind this is a family affair, and somewhat festive (we hope). Communication: X , this is actually directed at you!  It sounds like you have already covered the committee's bases with the web thing.  So, if you could keep me posted on how the sewing's going, that would be good.  Also, when and where can I get you fabric?  And, just so you know, it sounds like we will have a few seamstresses at the event working on further sewing, so really if you could just get 5 - 10 bags together before the event, that would be great!  And, if you could let me know how long they take to make, so I can get a feel for what we're dealing with.  I may also ask you to be the "advisor" to the sewing table, in the very beginning, since you will have already had some experience with the sewing.  Let me know if you are comfortable with this role.  Would you want to bring your machine to the event? Arts and Culture:We will continue organizing volunteers from the coalition (largely unaffiliated with committees -- off the volunteer sheets), seeking acts and music, finding donations, and overseeing the sweeping organization.  We will plan and create decorations, come up with a floor plan, and signs to designate some of the areas for the "fair"-type environment inside the venue.  We will oversee the peace quilt project, and the other art projects for kids there.  We will create a better flyer for the major distribution of info -- although, if anyone can help with this, it would be sooo appreciated. Finance/Fundraising:Bring your buttons!  Make a nice little set up for them, etc.  Bring the art and info for the art auction???Also, if you could get us that tax exempt # ASAP, we really need it!!! Outreach/Education:Please help with getting the information out to organizations, in church's agendas and bulletins, in school buildings, at pre-schools, to the girl scouts, and the YMCA, etc, etc.  Keep us posted on how that's going, if you can!  You can use the flyer that you have now until we develop a better one (hopefully by the end of this week).Also, can you develop or put together some materials on the refugees we're actually helping?the "this is who you're helping" theme.  If you could make this booth rather catchy, with pictures, a sign with the suggested phrase "this is who you're helping...", etc.  I have an article that I'll give to someone on your committee at the GM meeting. International Solidarity:If you could do a booth on the international anti-war movement, that would be wonderful.  I"m thinking articles and pictures from the foreign press....  Make it catchy, give it a cool title and sign, so that people can see what it is from a distance.  Also, if you guys could commit, say three or four people to work the event, that would be so great!!!  If anyone has cars and can pick up food donations on the way, that's even better!!!! Labor and Student Caucuses:Please get the word out to your people!!!  Please consider putting together some kind of booth as you see fit for this venue.  Please encourage your special "spokespeople" (from the students, from the labor contingency) to voice their opinions for the Information and Inspiration table by creating a canvasing piece. Media:Please contact the normal sources: newspapers, radio, TV, etc, and get the event in the community calendars.  We can talk more about what, exactly should go in there, but I think you all know what is appropriate for these situations, so maybe it would be best for you to take the info from the flyer attached here, from the webpage postings, and from what you see here to explain what the event is all about.  The donation info (what we're looking for) is pretty important, if it can fit.  Otherwise, e-mail (mine?) and web address can be used as info sources for those with questions.I thought you may also want to see if WORT wanted to collaborate with you on a booth on free press for the event.  Just an idea. That should be all for now.  Attached is the preliminary flyer (very rough, the one you have, more or less) for the event.  I will bring copies to the GM meeting as well.  We need to develop something better for the mass distribution. Thanks so, so much!  Please contact me with any questions, concerns, problems, or criticisms.See you Tues.X
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Hi everyone!

If you've been spending money on MAPC work, and need to be reimbursed,
please submit your receipts to your committee's Outie as soon as possible,
so that the Outie can get them to the Co-Treasurers.  Be sure to include
your mailing address so we can send a check to you.

The Coordinating Committee will be setting new budgets for each Working
Group and Caucus on Sunday, Nov. 18, and we really need to know how much has
already been spent, and how much we have left to allocate.

Thanks,
XX
Co-Treasurer


_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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Hey Sarah!
I've not read this all the way thru yet (too long)
Good luck w/ project (again)
x

From: x
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:12:40 EDT
To: x
Subject: Fwd: some thoughts from Europe

Dear Friends, 
This is an email I received from my friend, x.  It is one of the most beautiful and thoughful letters I have read about our recent tragedy. Please take a few moments to read it. 
Mark 
From: x
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:56:46 EDT
To: x
Subject: some thoughts from Europe



Dear Friends, 
  
An interesting, thought-provoking, genuine letter that has been pssed on to me from my brother in law.  It expresses many of the sentiments and feelings that Jan and I feel at the moment.  
  
It puts into perspective a point of view that many who live "womb to tomb" within the borders of the USA, who neither have traveled outside USA boundaries or possessions nor choose to be exposed to or educated in other cultures, mores, or customs, need to hear and read.  
  
x 
  

  

  

Subject: Healing and Reeling Here in Germany 
  
Probably a lot of these emails floating around -- from friends and family reporting on their personal experiences and feelings.  Thought you might benefit from one more . . . 





Hello All, 

I guess it's time that I, myself, take up the call to get back to work, to reconnect with the people and the unfolding days and the functions that, despite my stubborn wishes to the contrary, move on with relentless insensitivity.  I am grateful that one of my constant functions involves communication with all of you, and I'd like to kick back in with my "weekly" by sharing with all of you some of my own thoughts, written to the background sounds of military jets zooming through the airspace above my head, a routine here in Germany and it is, after all, a Wednesday when one can depend on hearing their ear-piercing wails through the air.  Maybe you're getting used to them as well in your neck of the woods.  We can call this installment "Thoughts from A Broad Abroad" or something of that nature.  We must inject some levity whenever we can, don't you think? 

I was of course shocked by what happened on September 11, and by what continues to happen to all of us.  As many are discovering, myself included, September 11 was just the first slap in the face, the first kick in the gut, and I fell to my knees with it, doubled over with pain and confusion.  Over the past couple of weeks I've been kicked while I was down, though, and instead of finding a gentle soul to share in my dismay, to soothe my wounds and tell me that everything would be OK, I've found many souls chastising us for our arrogance and ignorance as Americans.  "This is a result of US policies," some say, and "You really need, as a country, to reexamine yourselves and try to uncover the source of why you are so despised in the world."  Heady stuff, 
uttered gently enough from the comfort of Western European minds and homes. 

But I refuse, as the victim, to be blamed for my stupidity in participating in the global society.  I refuse to be blamed for being born into a family and a culture who raised me to believe that, if you worked hard enough, most things are within your reach.  I refuse to believe that it is wrong to think for oneself, to invent, to create, to prosper, and through that prosperity to affect the world with my perspective.  Perhaps it's the American in me which causes me to stubbornly stick to my cultural principles and values. 

I keep asking, and believe me folks I've engaged more than a few in heated conversations over this, "What exactly does the world want from us?"  I'm here, aren't I?  Living in another country, immersing myself and my precious children in another culture, trusting that culture to somehow take care with us, in its own way, of course.  It hasn't been easy, but we're bravely trudging on.  We're learning a new language, we're contributing economically, and I believe socially, to our local culture, possibly influencing families in this town where parents, children, even grandparents are born, live out their entire lives, and when they die are buried in the local cemetery.  So much for THEIR world view.  I'd stack mine against theirs any day.  How much more understanding do they want us to have?  We're living it, folks, we're not just giving lip service to this grandiose plan of learning to live together, of learning to understand each other better. 

What more does the global community want from us as a country?  Even before all of this happened to us, creating an almost obsessive interest in the politics and policies of Afghanistan, the USA was the single greatest monetary contributor to the Afghan refugees, giving 140 million dollars per year.  With the great confusion that followed and the mass exodus of civilians-turned-refugees in the days following the September 11 attacks, the US emergency gave 2 million dollars more.  Does this not demonstrate, in clear living color, how Americans can rise above their own raw grief and realize that others are suffering, creating more of an outflow of resources, American tax dollars, when the human instinct would be to hunker down and hold everything closer to the chest?  In my mind, that one discrete gesture says it all, says what we're about, says what we're capable of.  For every way we might misunderstand the world outside of our borders, there are multitudes of ways that we ourselves are misunderstood.  I feel at times that we are looked upon as the recalcitrant adolescent;  others believe that everything is black and white for us, right and wrong, no gray, no shades of doubt, and sometimes I think the rest of the world sees this tragedy as a wonderful opportunity to educate us about how we've misbehaved, to show us how we haven't grasped the gestalt.  They, the world, will use their infinite wisdom and experience to get us on the right path.  We are, after all they say, not rotten to the core.  We're just in need of a guiding hand.  How did we get to be the bad guys in all of this, anyway? 

These are the same people who en masse are sitting on the edges of their chairs, watching what US markets will do, because the rest of the world markets follow suit.  These are the same people who are lamenting the prospects of significantly fewer American dollars pumped into their tourism trade.  These are the same people who are taking measures to devalue their own currencies against the American dollar because they know that our fickle, funky US economy, strong as it is, is based solidly on our ability to consume, and our ability to consume is vital to their own economies.  How puzzling, but so far it's worked.  These are the same people who are now saying "Your CIA created bin Laden," yet they chastised us over 10 years ago for not becoming involved, because we were strong enough to do so, in helping the Afghani people's fight against the great intruder, the USSR.  These are the same people who dragged their feet in Boznia-Herzgovenia, Armenia and the like, while ethnic cleansing was occurring under their noses.  They didn't hesitate to lambaste us for not getting involved then, either; we are, after all, the "World's only remaining superpower," whatever that means; it's a dubious distinction and likely in this day and age to get you criticized from all angles.  I ask again, what do they want from us? 

I'm not saying we can't do better.  I've certainly not been supportive of a number of US domestic and foreign policies.  I know we can give more and consume less.  I'm also saying, however, that their timing is all wrong.  It's never time to repair the tendon or bone when the heart has been ripped apart, as it was when we were the target of such hatred and malice on September 11.  I will not be denied my time to mourn and then to be angry;  I hope I can make my way eventually to resolution.  But I must pay attention just now to my heart and to my soul, guard against their being strained and drained, gangrenous and necrotic, and against them turning away from the rest of the world.  They can save their lecture on the myriad of deficiencies present in US foreign policy for a less wounded, more malleable soul; perhaps for a fanatic patron of Islam. 

I halfway joked with Rex soon after the attacks that what I felt like doing, as a US national, was to draw into myself and my country, wall myself and my family off from the rest of the world.  "We have beaches," I said. "We have mountains and ski areas and Grand Canyons, deserts and national parks.  We even have a volcano."  I felt like closing the borders, closing down the airspace, quitting the travel to anywhere except to where American flags are proudly flown, staying within our borders.  Spending our money at home, giving only to our own sick and wounded and homeless.  If they don't want us, if they're scared of what we'll do, of how we'll act, of our impulsiveness, perhaps this solution would work for us all.  But then I don't think Americans can possibly turn their backs, bear the deaf ear.  We care too much.  We have too much of an interest in others, too much empathy for the suffering of others.  I guess we are somewhat childlike in that regard; we're not the jaded cynics in our approach to the rest of the world.  We trust in and take delight in a lot of what life has to offer.  At least we did before. 

We even make jokes at times like these, as kids do.  I heard today that our conditions to the Taliban should include the following:  "Turn over Osama bin Laden or we'll take all your women and send them to college."  Which brings me to my most heartfelt points about what I feel now should take place. 
  
I've never had any respect for the Taliban and it's policies.  Being involved with an organization like Planned Parenthood as I was, the worsening conditions of women around the globe have always been front page and center for me.  Very important stuff.  I had a discussion with one of my sisters once about how I was always on my guard not to be ethnocentric, and to respect and try to understand and value other cultures, to not judge the behaviors of a culture based on my own cultural beliefs and upbringing.  I learned this concept, after all, in college.  It must be the right thing to believe. 

Paraphrasing and with removal of expletives, my sister responded.  "Yeah," she said, "I used to believe that stuff too.  But then I thought, 'forget it' with regard to the status of women.  I'm not going to stand by and watch my sisters suffer at the hands of an oppressive culture imposed by men without getting vocal about it.  They've used it as an excuse for too long.  Forget them, and forget that."  
  
I took her words to heart;  they made sense to me, and I internalized them and embraced them as my own.  And now I don't care what horse you rode in on, there's no excuse for extreme, or otherwise, oppression of women using your religion or your culture or your concept of beauty as an excuse.  This applies to the Taliban policies of course, and as I said, I've known about the Taliban since they placed themselves in power in 1996.  I've seen this coming for a long time, and I know with all my heart that we need to get rid of the problem. 

Now I don't condone going in and dropping bombs on these people, not because of some sanctimonious, altruistic reason, but because I don't think it'll work and I have 2 sons and I'd just as soon not enter into a world war now, or ever.  It has the potential to be just that, especially if we react the way Osama bin Laden thinks we will.  I do see the Taliban as an ugly, cancerous growth that needs to be cut out, removing its sickening, parasitical influence over the Afghani people.  Afghanistan has cancer.  it is called the Taliban.  Afghanistan needs a cure.  Maybe we can help. 

I also believe that Teddy Roosevelt had it right when he said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."  I think we've already extended the stick 1/2 way across the world by deploying aircraft, ships and troops to the area.  All of Afghanistan's borders are closed.  I say we just hover, keep them off balance by the mere size and impressiveness of our forces, and wait for them to wither away.  One of the volumes of email which came my way and which I've shared with many of you, written by an Afghani-American, asked "Do we have the stomach for the fight?"  I don't think I've got much of a stomach for the actual fight, but I do have the stomach for starving them out.  It sounds cruel and doesn't solve the problem of the suffering of innocents, but then we didn't create the suffering.  Maybe we contributed to it somewhat in the past, but let's face it, the Taliban is responsible for their suffering now, and it will willingly and intentionally place them in harm's way; they've demonstrated this over and over.  They've chased every legitimate aid worker out of the country, cut off all lines of communication, making using cell phones or any satellite communication within the country a crime punishable by death, and they've confiscated all of the WFO's food stores, no doubt stuffing themselves with it and lining their underground lairs with it like the rats that they are.  Now they're waiting for us to fire the first shot. And I KNOW that once we've made an aggressive move, the tenuous world support for us will crumble away until we're left standing alone.  It always happens. 

But if we just stay behind the lines the world has drawn for us, international waters, borrowed airspace, if we just hold that ground and look big and bad and mad, and if we don't fire a shot until, if it comes to that, one is fired at us, and if we just wait and be patient and strong, perhaps we can starve them out.  And when they raise their angry fists at us and profess to the world how unreasonable we are and how we hate Islam and look what we're doing to them, we can just look around incredulously and say, "Who, us? What'd WE do?" 

Millions will starve, millions will suffer.  They've been suffering for a long time.  I read something very enlightening a few days after the September 11 attacks.  A reporter interviewed a woman on the streets of Kabul.  She was using the last of her meager savings to buy food for her 6 children, believing there would soon be another war, bombs on the way, from the USA. The reporter asked if she was frightened, if she was fearful of what would become of herself and her family.  Stupid question, but her reply was quite telling.  "My life has been without hope for so long," she murmured from behind her burka, "that the greatest hope I have now is that I can die with my children." 

Oh, my!  To feel that hopeless, that bereft of any possibilities of any kind. To feel to that degree such a pariah in your own culture.  To feel that unwanted, that uncared for, like a piece of garbage in the street.  Perhaps my European friends are right.  I cannot fathom the depths of that despair. I have no room in my heart for the hatred some of the men in their society feel for Americans and our way of life.  Oh Lord, I pray keep me arrogant enough to always believe I'm worth more than that;  keep me ignorant enough to never have to experience emotions such as these.  I would not ever in my wildest nightmares want to experience that pain, the prospect of having no hope for myself or for my children. 

Has anyone else noticed, as the pickup trucks present themselves at the Pakistani borders filled with refugees, that there are no women, and very few children, among them.  They are filled with all males all the time.  I'm not mistaken, because they've made their women easy enough to pick out of a crowd;  they're the ones behind the veils.  They are the walking dead. 

The Taliban is a cancer.  The treatments, even my "non-violent" ones, require some destruction of the good along with the diseased.  I believe in military terms it is called "collateral damage."  I am so sorry for this.  Even more so that so many of the good are my global sisters and children.  That always happens with war and strife of any kind.  Before the Taliban these women were news anchors, housewives, bankers, engineering students.  Now they are less than nothing and they have no hope.  What can I do about that?  Someone tell me, please. 

I guess I still hold out a hope for the liberation of the Afghanistan women. I continue to be infuriated with the Taliban, and I for one want Osama bin Laden's head on a platter.  I'm not exaggerating.  I say again that I'm supportive of how we've reacted, in fact I'm very proud of us.  I think the world at large is a little surprised and caught off guard by our restraint in action and focus and success in investigating.  That's just how I want them. 

They've misjudged us because they don't know us, and they really don't trust us.  Their loss, the snobs, our righteous gain in the worlds' view of us.  I just hope they don't come 'round here later, looking for a bone.  Them days is over, by my account.  But then I'm not in charge, and that's probably a good thing. 

As you can read, guess you've realized I'm fully in my anger phase of dealing with this.  It'll pass, to be sure, and I guess we'll all be friends again, but right now my rage fairly energizes me.  Therapy for the soul.  I do hope, since most of you are Americans, that you're finding your way through this as well, and I hope that this email finds you healthy and psychologically on the mend.  I send my love to you across the ocean.  x 
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1) i got about 5 volunteers for the labor caucus at the last mapc
   meeting.

2) the next south central federation of labor (scfl) meeting is this
   monday.  i'll make an announcement there about the mapc-labor
   caucus, and solicit other volunteers.  also, i'll make another plea
   for if there are union locals interested in joining mapc to do so
   (and talk to me for help with it).

3) i requested a labor@madpeace.org list be created by the
   communications group.

4) at the next ufas meeting (date yet to be determined), i'll
   introduce gillam's proposals for fundraising from our local.

no other requests to or from other committies at this time.  o+e
should just be aware of my outreach efforts to the labor community, so
they can focus on other things.


 In solidarity,

X
International Socialist Organization    (www.socialistworker.org)
United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223   (www.ufas.org)


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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Communication Committee Report

1) The database itself is constructed. Work on the Join form is continuing.
The free form fields of "other" for volunteer activities and "I belong to
the following groups" will not lend themselves to being queried against.
This means that anyone looking for specific information will have to read
through all the records in the db to obtain it.  The db can be initiated as
is, and we can look for a better solution later, when we are more able to
assess what query and information needs there will be.  Maintenance and
query tools also need to be created.  These tools will need password
protection.  Completing the db is the top priority for the Communications
Committee.

2) The committee mail list moderation is becoming cumbersome.  Emails
require moderation for 4 reasons. A) Porn (not a lot)  b) from someone not
on the mailing list c) too many addressees or d) trying to send too big a
file.  We had discussion on perhaps having each committee assign someone to
do their own moderation, or, turning moderation off altogether.  We decided
to leave it as is for now, and are looking into some other options that may
solve some of these problems.  New mail lists still need to be created for
the students and the yet unnamed world committee.  This should be done
shortly.

3) Website issues: We discussed some improvements needed.  A)  We will add a
page for Printable Materials, so the posters for events can be posted there
so members can get them and print them themselves.  The problem today is
everything is dropped off downtown or campus for pickup, and we are missing
opportunities for people to poster the outskirts on their own because they
don't want to go downtown to pick them up.  B) We will create a link on the
navigation bar for In the Press, and look to having articles about MAPC etc
scanned in and posted there.  C) We will look into password protecting some
of the Wiki pages, so they can't be changed once they're posted (such as
fundraising, meeting minutes, press releases).  D) We will work on FAQ
pages, both external (people wanting to learn about MAPC) and internal
(people in MAPC wanting to know how to do things - could be web related or
not - example, how to reserve a room in TITU).

4) We have a proposal: There is no contact info on the web site on how to
contact MAPC in general.  We are proposing to create an email link to
contact MAPC, and have this email go to the Coordinating Committee.  The CC
members could pick up and answer these emails as appropriate.  For example,
someone might ask about an upcoming event, and the outie of the committee
sponsoring the event could respond.

Peace,
X







_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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complained there. I complained here in Washington... to the Inspector
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Laden to come back to the United States for
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relative, Omar, also an FBI suspect, in Falls Church, Virginia, a suburb of
Washington.

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Published on Saturday, November 10, 2001 in The Times of London

Chelsea Joins the Hecklers at Rally by Glen Owen

CHELSEA CLINTON was among a group of American students which disrupted an
anti-war meeting in Oxford, it was revealed last night.

Frustrated at anti-American feeling, the daughter of the former President
arrived at the 500-strong meeting in Oxford Town Hall with a dozen friends
who heckled speakers.

Miss Clinton, a postgraduate student in international relations at
University College, Oxford, her father's alma mater, has confessed that she
is feeling isolated and threatened by the mood she has detected at the
university. She found it difficult encountering "anti-American feeling" from
peace demonstrators.

As soon as last Thursday's meeting, organized by the Oxford Stop the War
Coalition, began, members of her mostly American group shouted patriotic
slogans from the back. Speakers were prevented from continuing after other
young Americans approached them and unfurled a Stars and Stripes flag.

Chris Harman, editor of Socialist Worker, said: "When the group turned up I
thought, oh no, we're going to have some rugby-type fracas, but luckily it
was nothing like that." The flag-bearers were eventually sent back to their
seats by a 76-year-old American woman called Barbara, an Oxford resident.

Katy Beinart, a student CND member who spoke at the meeting, said that Miss
Clinton had arrived "making a lot of noise".

When John Haylett, editor of the Morning Star, began to argue that the media
had failed to consider the effects of the bombing on Afghan civilians, Miss
Clinton and her friends called out that he should remember the victims of
the terrorist attacks on New York. Mr Haylett responded that such meetings
were the only way to put an alternative viewpoint to that portrayed in the
media.

Miss Clinton left with her Secret Service bodyguards shortly afterwards,
stopping to buy a copy of the Morning Star from a vendor, and making "yet
more noise", according to Ms Beinart. "It was a shame that Chelsea Clinton
felt the need to interrupt a peaceful discussion with what I felt were
inappropriate comments," she said.

Speakers at the meeting, including the MP Jeremy Corbyn, said yesterday that
Miss Clinton took their comments too personally.

Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd.





_______________________________________________
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http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss


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Just a quick note,

-The item of Being proactive for emergency acttions actually is incorrect;
it
should be: "Actions: emergencies and proactive actions (two different types)

-Having the fast proposed be included in GM agenda

-Building infrastructure within all working groups -- send request to all?


See y'all,
X

X wrote:

&gt; Fellow outies,
&gt;
&gt; Here is what I have so far for agenda.  These are mostly left from the
last
&gt; meeting.  If you have additional items, please send to me by Sunday noon
or
&gt; bring with you to the meeting.  These are not in any particular order at
&gt; this point.
&gt;
&gt; - Purpose/mission for cc (bring your proposals)
&gt; - Approval of previous meeting minutes (may be moot point as they are
posted
&gt; already)
&gt; - Additional at large members selection (bring your proposals)
&gt; - GM meeting - select facilitators
&gt; - GM meeting - prepare agenda
&gt; - GM meeting - seems like location will be back up for discussion
&gt; - GM meeting - how much should we pay for meeting space
&gt; - Being proactive for emergency actions
&gt; - Funding (not sure of the exact issue, left from last meeting)
&gt; - International Solidarity
&gt;
&gt; I had an action item to compose a Welcome document to distribute at the
&gt; meeting, I will bring this for commentary.
&gt;
&gt; We will need someone to take notes.  I can bring my laptop, but won't be
&gt; able to both take notes and facilitate at the same time.
&gt;
&gt; X, do you have another outie from Arts that needs to get added to
this
&gt; mail list?  Otherwise, please pass on to whomever will be representing
Arts
&gt; at the meeting.
&gt;
&gt; peace,
&gt; X
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Hello Peace-Workers,

The fundraising committee needs an art auction coordinator.

We have a date (12/2) and a place (Mother Fool's) but alas, no art 
and no one to coordinate the getting, delivering and promoting of art 
and it's auction.

Anyone from any committee could do this job - we have a great 
opportunity and it is already being advertised. I'd hate to see it go 
to waste!

Artists are encouraged to donate a piece of their work - art lovers 
are encouraged to donate something they can part with for a good 
cause, and even someone not interested in art but interested in 
fundraising for MAPC could get involved in coordinating this event!

Without fundraising no one can get reimbursed for copying costs and 
equipment rentals, or any other costs incurred producing our events. 
Please help raise money with us.

In solidarity,
X - fundraising "innie" and co-treasurer

_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Dear X,

I'm refering this to you since I know you have a cell phone and I suspect
you'll be at the rally Saturday.
I got a call from X (can't find her last name) - one of the people on
her way to Georgia.  They would like to call us at the rally on Saturday
and give us a live update of what's going on so we can announce it. They
are going to be using the following cell phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX.  A guy called
X might answer it (I guess it's his phone).
Could you please call them at that number or at X home number at
XXX-XXXX and let them know if they can call you Saturday?

thanks,
X

p.s. could my name be taken off from the web site and from future meetings
as the outie for Action, since I really do not attend meeting regularly and
I cannot give out accurate information? thanks.



_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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              <text> Hey Sarah,

 Many thanks for the e-mail. Hope things are coming together in the edit. I
 look forward to seeing the fruits of our labor.
 I thought you'd be interested in reading this different perspective on what
 or who this evil is that has arrived at our doorstep. Pass it on. People
 should begin to question this.
 All the best,
 Hugh

 GROUND ZERO AND THE SAUDI CONNECTION
 Stephen Schwartz on the extreme Islamic sect that inspires Osama  bin Laden as well as all Muslim suicide bombers   and is subsidised by Saudi Arabia



 By Stephen Schwartz



 Washington



 The first thing to do when trying to understand Islamic suicide bombers is
 to forget the clich about the Muslim taste for martyrdom. It does exist, of
 course, but the desire for paradise is not a safe guide to what motivated the
 appalling suicide attacks on New York and Washington last week. Throughout
 history, political extremists of all faiths have willingly given up their
 lives simply in the belief that by doing so, whether in bombings or in other
 forms of terror, they would change the course of history, or at least win an
 advantage for their cause. Tamils are not Muslims, but they blow themselves
 up in their war on the government of Sri Lanka; Japanese kamikaze pilots in
 the second world war were not Muslims, but they flew their fighters into US
 aircraft carriers.

The Islamofascist ideology of Osama bin Laden and those closest to him,
 such as the Egyptian and Algerian Islamic Groups, is no more intrinsically
 linked to Islam or Islamic civilisation than Pearl Harbor was to Buddhism, or
 Ulster terrorists  whatever they may profess  are to Christianity. Serious
 Christians dont go around killing and maiming the innocent; devout Muslims do
 not prepare for paradise by hanging out in strip bars and getting drunk, as
 one of last weeks terrorist pilots was reported to have done.

The attacks of 11 September are simply not compatible with orthodox Muslim
 theology, which cautions soldiers in the way of Allah to fight their enemies
 face-to-face, without harming non-combatants, women or children. Most
 Muslims, not only in America and Britain, but in the world, are clearly
 law-abiding citizens of their countries  a point stressed by President Bush
 and other American leaders, much to their credit. Nobody on this side of the
 water wants a repeat of the lamented 1941 internment of Japanese Americans.


Still, the numerical preponderance of Muslims as perpetrators of these
 ghastly incidents is no coincidence. So we have to ask ourselves what has
 made these men into the monsters they are? What has so galvanised violent
 tendencies in the worlds second-largest religion (and, in America, the
 fastest growing faith)? Can it really flow from a quarrel over a bit of land
 in the Middle East?

For Westerners, it seems natural to look for answers in the distant past,
 beginning with the Crusades. But if you ask educated, pious, traditional but
 forward-looking Muslims what has driven their umma, or global community, in
 this direction, many of them will answer you with one word: Wahhabism. This
 is a strain of Islam that emerged not at the time of the Crusades, nor even
 at the time of the anti-Turkish wars of the 17th century, but less than two
 centuries ago. It is violent, it is intolerant, and it is fanatical beyond
 measure. It originated in Arabia, and it is the official theology of the Gulf
 states. Wahhabism is the most extreme form of Islamic fundamentalism, and its followers are called Wahhabis.

 Not all Muslims are suicide bombers, but all Muslim suicide bombers are
 Wahhabis  except, perhaps, for some disciples of atheist leftists posing as
 Muslims in the interests of personal power, such as Yasser Arafat or Saddam
 Hussein. Wahhabism is the Islamic equivalent of the most extreme Protestant
 sectarianism. It is puritan, demanding punishment for those who enjoy any
 form of music except the drum, and severe punishment up to death for drinking or sexual transgressions. It condemns as unbelievers those who do not pray, a view that never previously existed in mainstream Islam.



 It is stripped-down Islam, calling for simple, short prayers, undecorated
 mosques, and the uprooting of gravestones (since decorated mosques and
 graveyards lend themselves to veneration, which is idolatry in the Wahhabi
 mind). Wahhabis do not even permit the name of the Prophet Mohammed to be inscribed in mosques, nor do they allow his birthday to be celebrated. Above all, they hate ostentatious spirituality, much as Protestants detest the
veneration of miracles and saints in the Roman Church.

Ibn Abdul Wahhab (170392), the founder of this totalitarian Islamism, was
born in Uyaynah, in the part of Arabia known as Nejd, where Riyadh is today,
and which the Prophet himself notably warned would be a source of corruption and confusion. (Anti-Wahhabi Muslims refer to Wahhabism as fitna an Najdiyyah or the trouble out of Nejd.) From the beginning of Wahhabs dispensation, in the late 18th century, his cult was associated with the mass murder of all who opposed it. For example, the Wahhabis fell upon the city of Qarbala in 1801 and killed 2,000 ordinary citizens in the streets and markets.

In the 19th century, Wahhabism took the form of Arab nationalism v. the
Turks. The founder of the Saudi kingdom, Ibn Saud, established Wahhabism as its official creed. Much has been made of the role of the US in creating
Osama bin Laden through subsidies to the Afghan mujahedin, but as much or
more could be said in reproach of Britain which, three generations before,
supported the Wahhabi Arabs in their revolt against the Ottomans. Arab hatred of the Turks fused with Wahhabi ranting against the decadence of Ottoman Islam. The truth is that the Ottoman khalifa reigned over a multinational Islamic umma in which vast differences in local culture and tradition were tolerated. No such tolerance exists in Wahhabism, which is why the concept ofUS troops on Saudi soil so inflames bin Laden.



 Bin Laden is a Wahhabi. So are the suicide bombers in Israel. So are his
 Egyptian allies, who exulted as they stabbed foreign tourists to death at
 Luxor not many years ago, bathing in blood up to their elbows and emitting
 blasphemous cries of ecstasy. So are the Algerian Islamist terrorists whose
 contribution to the purification of the world consisted of murdering people
 for such sins as running a movie projector or reading secular newspapers. So
 are the Taleban-style guerrillas in Kashmir who murder Hindus. The Iranians
 are not Wahhabis, which partially explains their slow but undeniable movement towards moderation and normality after a period of utopian and puritan revivalism. But the Taleban practise a variant of Wahhabism. In the Wahhabifashion they employ ancient punishments  such as execution for moral offences and they have a primitive and fearful view of women. The same is true of Saudi Arabias rulers. None of this extremism has been inspired by American fumblin!

gs in the world, and it has little to do with the tragedies that have beset
Israelis and Palestinians.



 But the Wahhabis have two weaknesses of which the West is largely unaware; an Achilles heel on each foot, so to speak. The first is that the vast
 majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful people who would prefer the
 installation of Western democracy in their own countries. They loathe
 Wahhabism for the same reason any patriarchal culture rejects a violent break
 with tradition. And that is the point that must be understood: bin Laden and
 other Wahhabis are not defending Islamic tradition; they represent an
 ultra-radical break in the direction of a sectarian utopia. Thus, they are
 best described as Islamofascists, although they have much in common with
 Bolsheviks.



 The Bengali Sufi writer Zeeshan Ali has described the situation touchingly:
 Muslims from Bangladesh in the US, just like any other place in the world,
 uphold the traditional beliefs of Islam but, due to lack of instruction, keep
 quiet when their beliefs are attacked by Wahhabis in the US who all of a
 sudden become better Muslims than others. These Wahhabis go even further and accuse their own fathers of heresy, sin and unbelief. And the young childrenof the immigrants, when they grow up in this country, get exposed only to this one-sided version of Islam and are led to think that this is the only
Islam. Naturally a big gap is being created every day that silence is only
widening. The young, divided between tradition and the call of the new, opt
for Islamic revolution and commit themselves to their self-destruction,
combined with mass murder.



 The same influences are brought to bear throughout the ten-million-strong
 Muslim community in America, as well as those in Europe. In the US, 80 per
 cent of mosques are estimated by the Sufi Hisham al-Kabbani, born in Lebanon and now living in the US, to be under the control of Wahhabi imams, who preach extremism, and this leads to the other point of vulnerability:
Wahhabism is subsidised by Saudi Arabia, even though bin Laden has sworn to destroy the Saudi royal family. The Saudis have played a double game for
years, more or less as Stalin did with the West during the second world war.
They pretended to be allies in a common struggle against Saddam Hussein while they spread Wahhabi ideology everywhere Muslims are to be found, just as Stalin promoted an antifascist coalition with the US while carrying out
espionage and subversion on American territory. The motive was the same: the belief that the West was or is decadent and doomed.



 One major question is never asked in American discussions of Arab
 terrorism: what is the role of Saudi Arabia? The question cannot be asked
 because American companies depend too much on the continued flow of Saudi oil, while American politicians have become too cosy with the Saudi rulers.



 Another reason it is not asked is that to expose the extent of Saudi and
 Wahhabi influence on American Muslims would deeply compromise many Islamic clerics in the US. But it is the most significant question Americans should
 be asking themselves today. If we get rid of bin Laden, who do we then have to deal with? The answer was eloquently put by Seyyed Vali Reza Nasr,
 professor of political science at the University of California at San Diego,
 and author of an authoritative volume on Islamic extremism in Pakistan, when
 he said: If the US wants to do something about radical Islam, it has to deal
 with Saudi Arabia. The rogue states [Iraq, Libya, etc.] are less important in
 the radicalisation of Islam than Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the single
 most important cause and supporter of radicalisation, ideologisation, and the
 general fanaticisation of Islam.



 From what we now know, it appears not a single one of the suicide pilots
 in New York and Washington was Palestinian. They all seem to have been
 Saudis, citizens of the Gulf states, Egyptian or Algerian. Two are reported
 to have been the sons of the former second secretary of the Saudi embassy in Washington. They were planted in America long before the outbreak of the
 latest Palestinian intifada; in fact, they seem to have begun their
 conspiracy while the Middle East peace process was in full, if short, bloom.
 Anti-terror experts and politicians in the West must now consider the Saudi
 connection.

Stephen Schwartz is the author of Intellectuals and Assassins, published by
 Anthem Press.


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X

Harry already put in a request for a room. We can ask him on Monday to
update the request for video equipment. I'm not sure how that will affect
the original request.

X


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	madpeace-cc-admin@lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com
[mailto:madpeace-cc-admin@lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com]  On Behalf Of gail
vick
Sent:	Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:36 PM
To:	coordination@madpeace.org
Subject:	[MAPC-coord] Fwd: RE: video on school of the americas

I am proposing we show this at the next gm meeting, it should tie in real
well with the 17th events.  Anyone know what we need to do to get equipment
to show this? Do we need to ask for a room with the necessary equipment &amp;
screen? It might not hurt to start looking into this now instead of waiting
until after our Sunday meeting.  (I believe X or someone was going to ask
X to reserve the room.)

X


&gt;From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;To: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Subject: RE: video on school of the americas
&gt;Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:25:45 -0600
&gt;
&gt;X,
&gt;
&gt;I finally checked the School of the Americas video length, and it's only
&gt;20 minutes!  I'm so sorry, I thought it was longer.  But it is still
&gt;fabulous, definitely worth showing.  If you still want to see it, let me
&gt;know how I can give it to you.
&gt;
&gt;-X


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hey x, this is x. i attended last nights meeting. green sweatshirt, glasses... i was late . i am totally new to this type of work and this is my first e message. i am working on lining up a woman to speak for MAPC at the event we  discussed last night. she worked for the Quakers at an independent aid station in viet nam during the war and has been practicing zen budhism for over 25 years. right now she directs the dept of physical therapy at Meriter Hospital.  i called her last night and she would be happy to speak, she is, however, a cautious woman and wishes to know more about MAPC and its ideas and  perhaps, about some of its members. So, other than our website ( which i haven't been to yet)  might you have any ideas  about ways we can assure her that we mean business and we're not crackpots?    thanks, x
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WAR, ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM GRIP MIDDLE EAST, SOUTH ASIA

News &amp; Letters (www.newsandletters.org)  November 2001

A new phase of the post-Sept. 11 conflict began when the U.S. bombs began
to fall on Afghanistan Oct. 7. Dozens, if not hundreds, of innocent Afghan
civilians have been killed already. The U.S. also launched commando raids.
As the bombs fell, not a single leader of Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda or
Afghanistan's ruling Taliban was hit, but the food supply of the already
famine-ridden Afghan people was seriously disrupted. The respected human
rights organization Doctors Without Borders was quick to note both the
incongruity of U.S. air drops of food along with bombs and the fact that
such measures could only deliver a fraction of the food that U.N. trucks
had been taking in beforehand. It is a virtual certainty that thousands of
civilians will starve this winter.
At home, the U.S. was hit with biological terrorism in the form of
anthrax-laden letters addressed to prominent people in the government and
the media. These inhuman attacks-whose source is still unknown-have so far
killed only working people. The class nature of capitalist society was
plain for all to see as two of those murdered were postal workers, whom the
government unconscionably failed to protect. They had ordered anthrax tests
for everyone at the White House and Congress, but failed to take the same
measures for the workers whose hands had delivered the anthrax-ridden
letters to them.
Fear of terrorism has given a big opening to the Right. George Bush,
installed by the Supreme Court even though he lost the popular vote, has
been immeasurably strengthened. At the same time, we are facing "national
security" laws, as well as a government-fanned backlash against critics, of
a type not seen since McCarthyism.
Consider also the FBI's bizarre "definition" of terrorism, which includes
the following outrageous statement found on their website: "The second
category of domestic terrorists, left-wing groups, generally profess a
revolutionary socialist doctrine." One wonders how many resources America's
political police expended on surveillance of the anti-globalization,
anti-capitalist movement, during the very months when, seemingly unknown to
them, Mohammad Atta and others were finalizing their plans.

CHANGED WORLD SINCE SEPTEMBER 11

Since Sept. 11, we all live in a changed world. First and most obvious is
the new stage reached by Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. It announced
itself in a series of coordinated actions: the horrific Sept. 11 attacks on
New York and Washington, D.C. themselves; the assassination two days
earlier, also in a suicide attack, of their chief military rival inside
Afghanistan, Ahmad Shah Massoud; and the Oct. 7 release, within hours of
Bush's announcement that the U.S. had begun bombing Afghanistan, of a
videotaped speech by Osama bin Laden gloating over Sept. 11 and threatening
future attacks. With these events the Al Qaeda network signaled that it had
both the suicidal fanatics and the organization to hit at its opponents
anywhere in the world. Its global reach was proved in the coming days, as
pro-bin Laden rallies took place in many countries.
Second, the U.S., the sole remaining superpower, caught off-guard by Sept.
11, was quick to respond with the declaration of a "global war on
terrorism." The Bush administration initiated a level of military-security
buildup not seen since the Vietnam War. With Taliban-ruled Afghanistan the
only country openly supporting Al Qaeda, it was unclear how the blunt
instrument of war would help very much in what should be essentially a
global criminal investigation of an underground network. However, the U.S.
war drive received immediate support from Western Europe and Japan.
Third, in a major global realignment, the U.S. also received unexpectedly
strong backing from Russia's Vladimir Putin, who evidently had his own
reasons to join a global alliance against Islamic fundamentalism. Putin
helped to provide something totally unprecedented, bases for U.S. troops in
Uzbekistan, a part of the former Soviet Union bordering Afghanistan and
still under strong Russian influence. This insertion of U.S. power into
Central Asia is a major event, and not just because of oil. This strategic
region is within striking distance not only of Russia and the Middle East,
but also of China and India. Putin later hinted that he might also go along
with Bush's anti-missile scheme. In return, he got Western silence about
his genocidal repression in mainly Muslim Chechnya. Another realignment was
seen in the Middle East, where the U.S. was forced to distance itself from
Israel.
Considerably more reluctant support for the U.S. came from Pakistan and
Saudi Arabia, whose ruling classes have long supported many forms of
Islamic fundamentalism and whose populations are extremely angry at the
U.S. over its nearly unconditional support of Israel. However, China was
surprisingly uncritical of the U.S. war drive, apparently because it too
feared the insurgency among the mainly Muslim Uighurs of Xinjiang in
western China.

FUNDAMENTALIST RULE IN IRAN, AFGHANISTAN

In opposing the reactionary moves of the Bush administration, the Left has
too often ignored or minimized the threat of Islamic fundamentalism itself.
It needs to be remembered that this is a political force that opposes the
global dominant classes, gaining some mass support for that reason, yet
seeks to install a regime that would wipe away decades of gains for
workers, women, youth, lesbians and gays, and ethnic minorities. Just as
much of the Left failed in earlier generations to grasp the dangers of
fascism or of Stalinist state-capitalism, so today many on the Left are
failing to see the danger of Islamic fundamentalism.
Iran has been ruled by Islamic fundamentalists since they hijacked the mass
1979 revolution, crushing the small feminist movement and then devouring
their former allies on the Left. The result has been a theocratic police
state that systematically oppresses women and youth, severely represses
religious and ethnic minorities, and bans both trade unions and secular
political organizations. In recent years, the regime has been strongly
challenged from within. It is therefore not surprising that the Iranian
masses were among the first in the Muslim world to publicly  mourn the
victims of Sept. 11. This included small street demonstrations, as well as
a moment of silence at a major soccer match.
Another nation that has experienced Islamic fundamentalist rule is of
course Afghanistan, where conditions are even worse. The courageous
Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) has conducted
an underground struggle against the Taliban. They have run clandestine
schools for women and girls and have also smuggled out video footage of the
public execution of a woman for "adultery," which to the Taliban could mean
simply talking with someone of the opposite sex. As RAWA stated on July 14,
2001, Bastille Day: "No country is heedful of our people's struggle in the
hell of fundamentalism. Let us link arms, and, relying on the power of our
bereaved people, overturn the government of blood and treason of the
fundamentalists" (www.rawa.org).
The U.S. never seriously opposed the Taliban until Sept. 11, even after Al
Qaeda moved its bases there in 1996, despite the fact that Al Qaeda was
known to be linked to the first attack on the World Trade Center, in 1993.
Even today, as the U.S. says it is fostering a "broadly representative"
government to replace the Taliban, none have suggested that this include
any women's groups, let alone RAWA. Instead, the latest talk by the U.S. is
of incorporating "moderate" Taliban leaders.

FUNDAMENTALIST CHALLENGES IN EGYPT AND ALGERIA

Afghanistan and Iran are not the only countries to have come under the gun
of Islamic fundamentalism. Egypt, historically one of the most important
centers of Islamic culture, began to experience fundamentalist terrorism in
the early 1980s. In the 1970s, as he moved away from the left-wing and
pro-Russia policies of Gamel Abdel Nasser, Anwar Sadat courted the U.S.
abroad and the fundamentalists at home, the latter as a counterweight to
leftist groups that threatened his rule. However, his 1978 separate peace
with Israel outraged the fundamentalists, who assassinated him in 1981.
For the next two decades, a brutal war was fought between an increasingly
repressive Egyptian state under Hosni Mubarak and fundamentalist
terrorists. These fundamentalists had a real social base for a while,
taking over not only professional associations among lawyers, doctors, and
others, but also setting up social aid programs in the slums. At the same
time, their armed fanatics attacked secular, Marxist or feminist students
and intellectuals, driving them from the campuses. They nearly assassinated
Naguib Mahfouz, winner of the Nobel Prize for literature.
After the fundamentalists were defeated militarily, the Egyptian state kept
the repressive laws on the books, recently using them to attack Saad Eddin
Ibrahim, a secular human rights activist. At the same time, the government
has placated fundamentalist sentiment by allowing all kinds of demagogues
to preach on the airwaves and in officially sponsored mosques and
newspapers. Some former leftists have become fundamentalists, such as the
extremely popular preacher Mustafa Mahmoud. He has published the
notoriously anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion and also stated
that Jews carried out the Sept. 11 attacks to discredit Muslims. The
fundamentalists have also harassed feminists such as Nawal el Saadawi by
filing lawsuits under the country's blasphemy laws.
Given this history, it is not surprising that many of Al Qaeda's members
are from Egypt, including the second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri. Some
also originate in Algeria, a country that also experienced fundamentalist
terror on a large scale during the 1990s. After fundamentalist parties won
the 1991 elections, the military government of Algeria refused to cede
power, touching off a civil war during which tens of thousands were killed.
The fundamentalists, who had soft-pedaled their fanaticism to win the
election, gave it full expression during the civil war, when they butchered
untold numbers of Marxists, socialists, feminists, union leaders, and
ordinary citizens.
One effect of such a war is to close off other forms of opposition to
military or capitalist rule, since the population, faced with a choice
between fundamentalist barbarism and "ordinary" dictatorship, usually
chooses the latter. In Algeria, it has been only with the defeat of the
fundamentalists that we have seen the re-emergence of the mass movement of
the Berber minority for democracy and cultural autonomy, a movement that
has brought up to one million onto the streets on several occasions.

WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

The danger we face today is that of a false choice between Bush's
militarism and Islamic fundamentalism, something that could not only derail
the modest beginnings we have seen from the new anti-globalization
demonstrations since Seattle, but also launch a new era of reaction
worldwide.
It is for this reason that the Left needs to fight hard to maintain its
independence from all state powers and from all who offer retrogressive
solutions. Too often, post-Marx Marxists have dismissed or forgotten Marx's
statement in the 1844 Essays on "the relationship of man to woman," where
he wrote that "on the basis of this relationship, we can judge the whole
stage of development of the human being."
By this standard, religious fundamentalism, whether Muslim or Jewish,
Christian or Hindu, is a retrogressive force that needs always to be
combated, even when it seems to oppose global imperialism. We need to take
seriously voices like that of Khalid Salimi of Islamabad: "At the roots of
most conflicts in Afghanistan and Pakistan are the rights of women. Men
simply don't see women as human beings" (Chicago Tribune, 10/17/01).
It is crucially important for us to support critically those forces on the
ground in the Middle East and South Asia that are fighting against
capitalism, fundamentalism, sexism, and military rule. These include groups
like RAWA in Afghanistan, the Berber movement in Algeria, the Egyptian
feminists, and the Labor Party of Pakistan, whose antiwar rally in October
included speakers from the Women's Action Forum and condemnations of
fundamentalism.
While opposing Bush's militarism and authoritarianism, we need also to
support the arrest and trial before an international court of reactionaries
like bin Laden and the dismantling of Al Qaeda, just as we have in the past
called for the arrest and trial of other war criminals like Ariel Sharon,
Slobodan Milosevic, the Rwandan genocidaires, and Henry Kissinger.
October 25, 2001


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"Human Power Is Its Own End."--Karl Marx

News and Letters Committees / NEWS &amp; LETTERS
36 S. Wabash, Room 1440
Chicago IL 60603

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Hi all,

I hope you receive this before tonight's meeting.  what do you think?
Write back and, if not, perhaps we can talk tonight a bit before tthe
meeting or before it comes up on the agenda.




From: "X" &lt;bvedder@terracom.net&gt;
To: "Olson" &lt;district6@council.ci.madison.wi.us&gt;
Subject: Peace/humanitarian aid resolution
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:57:34 -0500
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X,

I've been attempting to contact some alder-folk along with the MAPC
Policy Committee, which incliudes X who I know got ahold of
you.  I'm delighted that you're happy/eager to cosponsor the resolution.

I also would like to change the wording of the last "Be it furtther
Resolved" phrase and we'll have that for all of you by tonight at the
end of our MAPC meeting, which will most probably be over before your
Budget meeting...which brings me to the part that's different from what
you &amp; Diane discussed--the timing.

I believe itt's crucially important to have the resolution voted on at
the next November 20 meeting and not be put off until two weeks later,
December 4.  I had suggested earlier that the Policy Committee have it
introduced already "By Title Only" for your last CC meeting, but I guess
that didn't happen--the timing was tight then for them.  However, it
still can get to the Clerk's office by 9am tomorrow AM and be voted on
at your next meeting of Nov. 20 --after all, it certainly doesn't need
to and shouldn't be referred to any committees.  I feel this strongly as
do others on MAPC simply because the bombing will continue those two
weeks longer, all tthe more civilians will be killed during that time
while humanitarian aid won't be addressed in a timely fashion either.

On the other hand, alders, as well as the Mayor, will havetime to read
the resolution over the weekend and they'll be getting email and phone
calls from their constituencies during that time.  Also, December 4 will
already pass the timeline humanitarian groups have put on needing to
start land convoys of aid.

I know Todd J will be bringing copies of the resolution, plus a
substitute which others who are more more reluctant could sign on to as
cosponsors if you don';t think you'll pass it.  You all can figure out
your own stategy regarding whether you have a substitute or not; but if
you do, I would suggest not to have it introduced tomorow morning or
passed out the night of the meeting, but could be put in alders' boxes
enough ahead of time.  (And perhaps you'll have enuf votes and won't
want tto do the substitute-- it's there just as a possibility for others
as you all figure out the votes.)  I know Brenda also is willing to
cosponsor this with Todd and yourself, but I'm not sure about others.

X


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MISSION: infiltrate U.S. Senator Herb ("nobody's senator but yours") Kohl's
office, spewing peace-nic rhetoric and demanding action to protect community
members of color and Muslim-Americans, and to protect our civil liberties.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! 08:00 hours to 08:45 hours, Tuesday, Oct 9, year 2001
C.E.

SPECIAL MAPC AGENTS: x, x, x, x, x (x?), x

DEBRIEFING REPORT: MAPC special agents met with new regional office director
x and staff assistant x. Meeting mood was cordial.

MAPC agents introduced the coalition, our 3-point platform, organizational
members, and strong support from individuals (150-200 people at general
meetings, an estimated 5000 individual members). We thanked the Senator for
his support of anti-racist resolutions (in the wake of the attacks; everyone
voted yes...), and then got down to business.

We detailed current "anti-terrorism" legislation and our concerns regarding
it, especially highlighting the "Uniting and Strengthening of America Act"
(S.1510), an especially scary measure which may be voted on by the Senate as
soon as this week. Among other things, the "U.S.A. Act" would allow
indefinite detention of non-citizens (even if they've won immigration
hearings), expand the federal government's ability to conduct secret
searches, extend the ability to conduct warrant-less internet and phone
surveillance to anyone if "relevant to an ongoing investigation", etc.

We also called on the Senator to support the establishment of an
International Criminal Court, and to oppose the U.S. Servicemembers
Protection Act (S.857), which would actively oppose the ICC, levy sanctions
against other countries signing the ICC charter, and provide the Prez with
the authority to "take any measures necessary" to free U.S. citizens
detained against their will by the ICC (!!!).

Kohl staff were not able to provide us with the Senator's stance on this
legislation, but will report back to us. They will relay the extensive
meeting notes they took to the DC office, and contact us with information on
the Senator's stance on S.1510, the ICC/ S.857. They will also provide us
with names and contact info for the relevant DC aides to contact regarding
each issue we discussed. For interested readers, the general phone # for
Kohl's DC office is 202-224-5623. We will share the other info with you once
we receive it.

Kohl's local staff also said they would relay info on MAPC to local people
who call the office to express pro-peace views. They also told us that,
except for the first day or so after the Sept 11 attacks, the many calls to
the local office have been overwhelmingly pro-peace! (Hey, join the
bandwagon. The phone # for the local office is 264-5338.)

We left with the office written materials on MAPC, news reports on Sunday's
rally, an article on the ICC (in the current issue of Ms. - check it out),
and MAPC member x's recent Badger-Herald editorial on the
complexity of getting involved with Afghanistan's politics.

&lt;a luta continua&gt;

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____________________________________________
East Timor Action Network field organizer   ETAN field office
Social Justice Center
office 608-663-5431                         1202 Williamson St
cell 608-347-4598                           Madison, WI 53703
home 608-255-4598                           fax 608-227-0141

Check out these internet sites!
the East Timor Action Network/US      http://www.etan.org
Madison, WI - East Timor projects     http://www.aideasttimor.org
Madison's Social Justice Center       http://www.socialjusticecenter.org

"We struggled for more than 24 years for independence. We've learned the
lesson that even small people have a voice."
    -East Timorese leader Mari Alkatiri, during the August 30, 2001
Constituent Assembly vote
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X,

Sounds like most people want it at WilMar. We're working on the poster and
will have it done today. I'm planning a Halloween party for my son tonight,
so I'm behind schedule. I could email the poster to the CC and maybe someone
could reproduce and distribute it today? X isn't available today to work
on it today. Is anyone else?

X



----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;X&gt;
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] Sunday Meeting


&gt; Hello all,
&gt;
&gt; I am assuming that the meeting place has not been determined since I did
&gt; not get the poster from X.  I am for having it at Wilmar.  Getting there
&gt; through bus and biking is not that difficult.  Many students of the campus
&gt; already live in that neighborhood.  But perhaps not the students who have
&gt; already attended meetings.  And the number three bus goes right down
&gt; Jenifer St.
&gt;
&gt; It won't be easy for me to distribute the poster on Sunday or the rest of
&gt; today.  I can get posters to the CC meeting if others wish to help
&gt; distribute.  I won't be able to check my e-mail until later today, but if
a
&gt; poster is sent to me, since X said she already had it on her computer, I
&gt; can copy it at MCC tomorrow and bring it to the CC meeting.
&gt;
&gt; I won't be able to stay long at the CC meeting.  I cook dinner for my
house
&gt; every other Sunday.
&gt;
&gt; Take care
&gt;
&gt; X
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Hi Everyone,
    I just read in the New York Times an article with the headline "Senators
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restrain Israel from retaliating fully against Palestinian violence and to
express his solidarity publicly with Israel soon."
    The letter goes on to say that the State Department has been too
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pattern in an upcoming speech.
Makes you cringe, no?
Peace,
X
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