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I couldn't read all the way through this message from Gillam without
reacting...  here goes:

My best advice to the kids and th egrown-ups who want to hassle this is "get
a life."  The Peace Symbol is a wonderful thing... paint it green if you
have to, use it as a global truss if that appeals to your graphic
sensibilities, but don't drop it and here's why...

The so called "Peace Symbol" pre-dates most of us (apologies to the
septuagenarians and older folks in our membership).  By the mid-1950s,
public protests of the nuclear arms race were building. In 1955, the year in
which Albert Einstein died, he and Bertrand Russell issued a Manifesto
warning of the dangers of continuing the nuclear arms race. Two years later
in 1957 the great humanitarian Albert Schweitzer made a public "Declaration
of Conscience" in which he stated that "the end of further experiments with
atom bombs would be like early sun rays of hope which suffering humanity is
longing for." The Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy (SANE), an
organization of private citizens seeking to alter official nuclear policies,
was formed in 1957.

One of the most widely known symbols in the world, in Britain it is
recognised as standing for nuclear disarmament  and in particular as the
logo of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND). In the United States and
much of the rest of the world it is known more broadly as the peace symbol.
It was designed in 1958 by Gerald Holtom, a professional designer and artist
and a graduate of the Royal College of Arts. He showed his preliminary
sketches to a small group of people in the Peace News office in North London
and to the Direct Action Committee Against Nuclear War, one of several
smaller organisations that came together to set up CND.

The Direct Action Committee had already planned what was to be the first
major anti-nuclear march, from London to Aldermaston, where British nuclear
weapons were and still are manufactured. It was on that march, over the 1958
Easter weekend that the symbol first appeared in public. Five hundred
cardboard lollipops on sticks were produced. Half were black on white and
half white on green. Just as the churchs liturgical colours change over
Easter, so the colours were to change, from Winter to Spring, from Death to
Life. Black and white would be displayed on Good Friday and Saturday, green
and white on Easter Sunday and Monday.

The first badges were made by Eric Austin of Kensington CND using white clay
with the symbol painted black. Again there was a conscious symbolism . They
were distributed with a note explaining that in the event of a nuclear war,
these fired pottery badges would be among the few human artifacts to survive
the nuclear inferno. These early ceramic badges can still be found and one,
lent by CND, was included in the Imperial War Museums 1999/2000 exhibition
From the Bomb to the Beatles.

What does it mean?

Gerald Holtom, a conscientious objector who had worked on a farm in Norfolk
during the Second World War, explained that the symbol incorporated the
semaphore letters N(uclear) and D(isarmament). He later wrote to Hugh Brock,
editor of Peace News, explaining the genesis of his idea in greater, more
personal depth:

I was in despair. Deep despair. I drew myself: the representative of an
individual in despair, with hands palm outstretched outwards and downwards
in the manner of Goyas peasant before the firing squad. I formalised the
drawing into a line and put a circle round it.

Eric Austin added his own interpretation of the design: "the gesture of
despair had long been associated with the death of Man and the circle with
the unborn child."


Gerald Holtom had originally considered using the Christian cross symbol
within a circle as the motif for the march but various priests he had
approached with the suggestion were not happy at the idea of using the cross
on a protest march. Later, ironically, Christian CND were to use the symbol
with the central stroke extended upwards to form the upright of a cross.
This adaptation of the design was only one of many subsequently invented by
various groups within CND and for specific occasions  with a cross below as
a womens symbol, with a daffodil or a thistle incorporated by CND Cymru and
Scottish CND, with little legs for a sponsored walk etc. Whether Gerald
Holtom would have approved of some of the more light-hearted versions is
open to doubt.

The symbol almost at once crossed the Atlantic. Bayard Rustin, a close
associate of Martin Luther King had come over from the US in order to take
part in that first Aldermaston March. He took the symbol back to the United
States where it was used on civil rights marches. Later it appeared on
anti-Vietnam War demonstrations and was even seen daubed in protest on their
helmets by American GIs. Simpler to draw than the Picasso peace dove, it
became known, first in the US and then round the world as the peace symbol.
It appeared on the walls of Prague when the Soviet tanks invaded in 1968, on
the Berlin Wall, in Sarajevo and Belgrade, on the graves of the victims of
military dictators from the Greek Colonels to the Argentinian junta, and
most recently in East Timor.

There have been claims that the symbol has older, occult or anti-Christian
associations. In South Africa, under the apartheid regime, there was an
official attempt to ban it. Various far-right and fundamentalist American
groups have also spread the idea of Satanic associations or condemned it as
a Communist sign. However the origins and the ideas behind the symbol have
been clearly described, both in letters and in interviews, by Gerald Holtom
and his original, first sketches are now on display as part of the
Commonweal Collection in Bradford.

Although specifically designed for the anti-nuclear movement it has quite
deliberately never been copyrighted. No one has to pay or to seek permission
before they use it. A symbol of freedom, it is free for all. This of course
sometimes leads to its use, or misuse, in circumstances that CND and the
peace movement find distasteful. It is also often exploited for commercial,
advertising or generally fashion purposes. We cant stop this happening and
have no intention of copyrighting it. All we can do is to ask commercial
users if they would like to make a donation. Any money received is used for
CNDs peace education and information work.

(material from the CND website)




Here is a link to the Russell - Einstein manisfesto issued in 1955:
http://www.nuclearfiles.org/docs/1955/550709-russel-einstein.html




-----Original Message-----
From: X
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:51 PM
To: discuss@madpeace.org
Cc: stopwardisc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MAPC-discuss] MAPC Logo Design -- Graphics, Symbolism, and
Baggage


Hi all!

Just a heads up that the MAPC logo will be on the agenda for Tuesday night's
general membership meeting, and a few comments (okay, I lied - lots of
comments) since I may not be able to attend the whole meeting.

While (AFAIK) we've never voted on this, the peace sign wrapped around the
globe has become the de facto MAPC logo.  (IIRC the general membership
referred the logo question back to the Arts &amp; Culture WG, and they couldn't
come up with anything better.)

The Student/Youth Caucus has objected to this logo, and designed a new one,
which will be presented on Tuesday.  (As I understand it, the problem is
that the peace sign is tied to a particular historic era, and carries
baggage which is too hippie-ish -- as opposed to activist.  There is also
concern that the grey-scale of the logo does not reduce or reproduce well.)
Their proposed logo has a half-globe, without peace sign, with paler images
of the globe radiating out from it.  (Lousy description, I know.)

I sympathize with the S/YC's objections, but I like their proposed graphic
even less than the one we've been using.  To me, it's not particularly
distinctive, and a globe alone just doesn't say "peace" to me.  It could
just as easily be the logo graphic for a global telecommunications
corporation.

Then again, I'm not sure that any graphic we pick to represent
"peace/anti-war" will be acceptable to and truly representative of the whole
Coalition.  The Vietnam-era peace sign is, well, Vietnam era, and doesn't
represent the new generation of activists.  The dove has a longer history,
but strikes me as a bit too "Pacifist" in image, as does the rifle with a
flower in its barrel, broken rifle, broken bomb, and a few others.  The
other predominant image from the Vietnam era, the clenched fist, of course,
has the opposite connotation.  We've already been through the discussion of
incorporating the symbolism of the American flag; some of us think "peace is
patriotic" and others of us think U.S. nationalism is part of the problem.
And while the globe could well be something that none of us object to, it
really doesn't symbolize anything that distinguishes us from the other side.

"Madison area" is tough to symbolize graphically.  The most identifiable
symbols are architectural (the State Capitol), and we have nothing to do
with state government.  Doing something with the outline of the state and
highlighting the Madison area really doesn't work graphically.  And I doubt
that anyone would recognize that a satellite view of the Four Lakes was
anything other than a Rorschach inkblot test.

We could try to have a symbol for everyone, incorporating lots of different
images in the logo, but the result would likely be an unwieldy mess.

My personal opinion at this point is that we should either (1)come up with a
graphic that is brand new -- no baggage from past movements or ideologies --
(and I have no earthly idea what this would be); or (2) just go with a
"words-only" logo, using a very distinctive typestyle and arrangement of the
words in our organization name.  If the typestyle and arrangement are
distinctive enough, IMO the logo will be recognizeable and identifiable, and
would avoid the symbolism &amp; baggage problems inherent in selecting any
graphic image for a diverse coalition.

XX



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Dear Action and Coordination committees,

The Palestine Right to Return Coalition would like to offer the MAPC members
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From UNWire:

Nov. 5, 2001
U.N. AFFAIRS
CIA:  Office Used For Spying On U.N. Diplomats Destroyed Sept. 11


CIA: Office Used For Spying On U.N. Diplomats Destroyed Sept. 11A secret
CIA office housed in the World Trade Center complex used for spying on and
recruiting U.N. diplomats was destroyed in the Sept. 11 attack, the New
York Times reported yesterday.
The New York station, which operated under the front of another branch of
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overseas (James Risen, New York Times, Nov. 4).
The CIA's main office in New York was not damaged by the attacks, but some
agents are being housed at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations and other
federal offices in New York (Associated Press/Washington Post, Nov. 5).



_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Also, I have a new email address:  X .

Peace,
X
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I'm assuming that x intended this reply to go to the lists, not just to
me, so I'm forwarding it along.  (If I'm wrong, I apologize, but with time
being of the essence, I decided to take the chance.)

x

----- Original Message -----
From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
To: "x" &lt;x&gt;
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?


&gt; Yes I have an opinion...  I think our reactionary plans to respond to
&gt; egregious actions on the part of the US are totally off the mark.  Barring
&gt; deployment of tactical nukes to the field, employment of weapons of mass
&gt; destruction, or overt invasion with intent to occupy a country, nothing
the
&gt; US does right now will upset enough of the people to help us gather a big
&gt; rally.  A big rally in my experience in Madison is over 1000 people.  A
&gt; medium size rally is between three or four hundred and a thousand.  How
many
&gt; of us think we can even organize a medium size rally in response to an ill
&gt; defined set of "emergencies" that we intend to react against?  We need to
&gt; look deeper for a strategy and tactics that won't have our best people
&gt; burning out from so much work to so little result.  We need to define a
&gt; program of constant social pressure.  We need to keep the issues squarely
in
&gt; front of the people 7 by 24.  And I think we need to do this without
&gt; alienating and polarizing people.
&gt;
&gt; I think the art event planned for next week is wonderful because it is
&gt; independent of CNN ("all anthrax all the time" as Beth says).  How much
&gt; tabling do we have the resources to support, week in and week out at both
&gt; unions?  How many other "vigils" like the Quaker sponsored ones on Monday
&gt; and Friday can we organize and support?  A few people here and there all
the
&gt; time is far more effective than poorly attended rallies held in response
to
&gt; ill defined emergencies.
&gt;
&gt; I'm not saying all of our rally activities to date have been ineffective
or
&gt; poorly attended... far from it!  But organizers who can help to channel a
&gt; spontaneous response from the people with a rally will be far more
effective
&gt; than organizers who attempt to drum up a response.
&gt;
&gt; I think we need to refine our approaches:  hold rallies that are well
&gt; planned and/or responsive to a clear need; work with education and
outreach
&gt; to see that tables are planned and manned, ummm... personed; organize in
the
&gt; community around people who may want to respond to the war with peaceful
&gt; activity, but could give a rats ass regarding abstruse economic issues
like
&gt; G8 summits.  Want to educate these people?  Give them time and good
&gt; examples.
&gt;
&gt; Comments?  Thoughts?
&gt;
&gt; -x-
&gt;
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: x
&gt; [mailto:x]On Behalf Of
&gt; x
&gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:35 PM
&gt; To: x
&gt; Cc: x
&gt; Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Aaaargh.
&gt;
&gt; Part of me says "If we have to ask whether we should hold an emergency
&gt; rally, we shouldn't hold it."
&gt;
&gt; The other part of me feels like a frog in a pot of water on the stove.  If
&gt; the heat is turned up gradually enough, the frog never knows when to jump,
&gt; until it's too late.
&gt;
&gt; I realize that's not very helpful.  Anyone else have an opinion?
&gt;
&gt; x
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; To: &lt;x&gt;
&gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:34 PM
&gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; all (this is really a response to x's friday morning
&gt; &gt; call to potential action/questions and x's friday
&gt; &gt; night hey it looks like we should at least do a picket
&gt; &gt; line sat afternoon emails):
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; if we are going to do this tomorrow, as x is
&gt; &gt; suggesting, i am out, as i have to work, but pls keep
&gt; &gt; me posted, as i will then start the arts chain going.
&gt; &gt; do we want same signs or more? x has sticks and i
&gt; &gt; have cardboard, etc.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; i wonder if, and this is just a wonder, having even a
&gt; &gt; picket when the action is not being well-publicized is
&gt; &gt; a good idea. i know that there is much going on in
&gt; &gt; this war, like all other us "actions" which is
&gt; &gt; underwritten dramatically, and we need to call
&gt; &gt; attention to it, however, folks are more likely to
&gt; &gt; understand what we are calling for and call with us if
&gt; &gt; it is of a dramatic nature. subjective nature, i
&gt; &gt; suppose. as we all agreed at the last meeting, from
&gt; &gt; here on out it is much more subjective than just the
&gt; &gt; bombing beginning.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; regardless, i will pass the word if i hear back from
&gt; &gt; more folks.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; thanks,
&gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; --- x &lt;x&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi all,
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm back from work and the media coverage is
&gt; &gt; &gt; different than this
&gt; &gt; &gt; morning. This morning, TV had reported it as
&gt; &gt; &gt; "deploying ground troops."
&gt; &gt; &gt; Now the media is characterizing it as "a handful of
&gt; &gt; &gt; U.S. special forces."
&gt; &gt; &gt; Given that description, it looks like we do not need
&gt; &gt; &gt; to employ our
&gt; &gt; &gt; emergency response today. What a relief!  However, I
&gt; &gt; &gt; think we need to
&gt; &gt; &gt; be READY if troops are sent in. Given the quick
&gt; &gt; &gt; nature in which this
&gt; &gt; &gt; may happen, I opt for planning our strategy now so
&gt; &gt; &gt; we don't have to
&gt; &gt; &gt; scramble later. I think a picket line would be the
&gt; &gt; &gt; most expedient course,
&gt; &gt; &gt; especially given the fact that we've already had
&gt; &gt; &gt; numerous
&gt; &gt; &gt; rallies. Also, a picket line is a lot less work to
&gt; &gt; &gt; organize than a rally.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Rallies involve amplification, multiple speakers,
&gt; &gt; &gt; musicians, etc. We would
&gt; &gt; &gt; need the following to be ready if we decide on a
&gt; &gt; &gt; picket line: press release,
&gt; &gt; &gt; press contacts, bullhorn or portable sound system
&gt; &gt; &gt; (or both), picket signs,
&gt; &gt; &gt; chant sheets, and MAPC literature. These tasks cross
&gt; &gt; &gt; over multiple
&gt; &gt; &gt; committees so I think we ought to decide now what we
&gt; &gt; &gt; want to do and
&gt; &gt; &gt; start preparing within the committees--then we won't
&gt; &gt; &gt; be in a crisis
&gt; &gt; &gt; mode later.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thoughts?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Peace,
&gt; &gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;x&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action
&gt; &gt; &gt; Protesting Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; CNN is reporting a small deployment of Special
&gt; &gt; &gt; Forces ground troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; probably intended to locate targets for air
&gt; &gt; &gt; strikes rather than to engage
&gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; combat.  Fox News is reporting three teams of a
&gt; &gt; &gt; dozen troops each.  One of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; them reported that there had been numerous prior
&gt; &gt; &gt; sightings of U.S. troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; but that this was the first official confirmation.
&gt; &gt; &gt;  It's not the top story
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; either place.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My recollection from the CC discussions was that
&gt; &gt; &gt; an emergency response
&gt; &gt; &gt; would
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be automatic in the event of a non-Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; ground invasion or a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; *major* deployment of Special Forces, but that a
&gt; &gt; &gt; small Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; deployment would not necessarily trigger an
&gt; &gt; &gt; emergency action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I would also note that, in the two hours since Rae
&gt; &gt; &gt; posted this, there has
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; been no other discussion of an action on any of
&gt; &gt; &gt; the MAPC lists.  So I
&gt; &gt; &gt; don't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; get the impression that other folks in MAPC have
&gt; &gt; &gt; interpreted this as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; requiring immediate action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My own feeling -- perhaps influenced by the fact
&gt; &gt; &gt; that I'm sick and can't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; help out regardless -- is that this is not a
&gt; &gt; &gt; significant military
&gt; &gt; &gt; escalation
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and is probably just a public acknowledgment of
&gt; &gt; &gt; what has been happening on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the ground all along.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;x&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:53 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The media is saying that the US has sent ground
&gt; &gt; &gt; troops into Afghanistan.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; had planned on a 5pm action on the capitol in
&gt; &gt; &gt; response to this. I think
&gt; &gt; &gt; we
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; should go ahead, but given all the other things
&gt; &gt; &gt; we are doing, we should
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; keep
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it simple.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I propose we just have a picket line. The
&gt; &gt; &gt; following things need to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; done:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get an announcement out to WORT to build the
&gt; &gt; &gt; action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get a bullhorn.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Put together a sheet of chants.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What do you think?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Unfortunately, I am walking out the door to go
&gt; &gt; &gt; to work, so I can't help
&gt; &gt; &gt; on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this. Given the fact its a work day, I suspect
&gt; &gt; &gt; alot of other people are
&gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the same boat. Can someone step up and run with
&gt; &gt; &gt; this?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; x
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The following are left over from last meeting:

(1)  Changing the CC Meeting Schedule.  (It was requested that this item be
placed early on the agenda, before the WG/C Reports.)

(2)  Donation to Wil-Mar for Last GM

Unless we've already decided, we should add:

(3)  Location of Next GM

And:

(4)  Planning Next CC Meeting (Facilitator, Agenda, Etc.)

Finally, since our godlike powers have been expended to include facilitation
of strategy development, we should probably figure out how we've going to do
that, thus:

(5)  Developing a Strategy for Developing Our Strategy

GK




_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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THe cc meeting minutes have been posted in the usual spot (see Meetings).

X, I have added the Peace for Peace event to the home page, but you
need to create and enter your own detailed information on the Events page,
which is self-editable.

X, if you don't get to writing up the blurb for the blue sheet, I'll
just add your phone # and the stopwaryouth@yahoogroups.com email address,
and we can get your description fixed the next time around. I have limited
time to print these up tomorrow before the meeting (darn job gets in the
way).

peace,
X


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Thanks for working on this, X!  It looks really good.  My suggestions
are below - the biggest one being that we should NOT include anything that
might be construed as supporting or even tolerating the U.S. bombing of
Afghanistan.  I realize that we won't be able to get the Council to call on
the U.S. to stop bombing, and think focusing on the humanitarian crisis is a
great strategy, but let's think about how we can word the resolution so that
it's more in line with the "peace and justice, not war and revenge" point of
unity.  The Alders can also advise us about what's politically do-able.
-X

PS- Since this is a time-sensitive matter - winter is fast approaching -
let's try to push this to a Council vote quickly.

&gt; Hi Everyone,
&gt; Last night we decided that I would draft a resolution, and all of us on
&gt; the policy committee would contribute comments on that draft.  Then we
could
&gt; work all those comments in.  After that, we would bring it around to all
the
&gt; alders for their feedback.
&gt; To develop the resolution, I looked at Madison's 9/25 resolution
&gt; condemning the 9/11 attack and expressing sympathy for the victims
&gt; (http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/council/ccattach/att092501/attack30314.pdf).
I
&gt; followed that format.
&gt; For content, I relied on Wellstone's S.172 resolution, which he
&gt; introduced on 10/18 (last Thursday) and which is in a Senate committee
right
&gt; now.  I tried to simplify quite a bit and make it relevant to Madison.
&gt; Here is what I came up with:
&gt;
&gt; ===============================================================
&gt; A RESOLUTION regarding the urgent need to provide emergency humanitarian
&gt; assistance and development assistance to civilians in Afghanistan,
including
&gt; Afghan refugees in surrounding countries.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; SPONSORS: [Alders names here.]
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; WHEREAS, a disastrous humanitarian crisis is underway, with an estimated
7.5
&gt; million people in Afghanistan facing critical food shortage or outright
&gt; starvation this winter; and

* add: "and 70 percent of these people are women and children; and"

&gt;
&gt; WHEREAS,  food aid shipments have been disrupted due to security concerns
&gt; around U.S. military actions in Afghanistan; and

* let's boost our credibility here by noting the concerns expressed by
Doctors without Borders, Oxfam, etc: "Whereas, the aid agencies active in
the region, including the Nobel laureate Doctors Without Borders (MSF),
Oxfam International and World Food Program, have stated that the U.S. food
drops can not meet the increasing and urgent need for assistance; and"

&gt;
&gt; WHEREAS, Madison supports U.S. military efforts through many channels,
&gt; including the federal taxes its citizens pay, and through its citizens'
&gt; participation in the armed forces; and

* DELETE the previous clause!!!!

&gt;
&gt; WHEREAS, the Mayor and Common Council deplore their participation in
actions
&gt; that cause mass starvation;

* if we delete the clause before the one above, we'll probably need to
change this one, maybe to something like, "Whereas the Mayor and Common
Council are concerned at the likely possibility of mass starvation in the
Afghanistan region, if the situation is not speedily addressed;"

&gt;
&gt; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Common Council urge a
&gt; resolution to the situation that minimizes loss of life; and
&gt;
&gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT humanitarian concerns must be a top U.S.
&gt; priority for action in Afghanistan, especially as there exists a narrow

* instead of "action in", put "policy towards"

&gt; window of opportunity for supplying food to the region's population before
&gt; winter makes this difficult or impossible; and
&gt;
&gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT Afghanistan's neighbors should reopen their
&gt; borders to allow for the safe passage of refugees, and the international
&gt; community must be prepared to contribute to the economic costs incurred by
&gt; the flight of desperate Afghan civilians; and
&gt;
&gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT as the United States engages in military
action
&gt; in Afghanistan, it must work to deliver assistance, particularly through
&gt; overland truck convoys, and safe humanitarian access to affected
&gt; populations, in partnership with humanitarian agencies in quantities
&gt; sufficient to alleviate a large scale humanitarian catastrophe; and

* I think the previous clause also accepts the ongoing bombing - take out
the first part, so it reads like, "Be it further resolved that the United
States must actively support the work of various agencies to deliver
assistance in Afghanistan, particularly through..."

&gt;
&gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States should contribute to efforts
&gt; by the international community to provide long-term, sustainable
&gt; reconstruction and development assistance for the people of Afghanistan,
&gt; including efforts to protect the basic human rights of women and children.

* can we also add something to the effect that the U.S. should support
democratic processes in Afghanistan leading to a government which represents
ALL its people, including women???

&gt;
&gt; ====================================================================
&gt;
&gt; I don't know how much it's appropriate for Madison to be resolving
&gt; things for the United States to do.  Maybe one of you has a suggestion on
&gt; that.

* there will be a few alders who will object, saying that the city can't and
shouldn't dictate U.S. foreign policy, but most will realize it's in the
long (and democratic) tradition of communities voicing their opinions on
matters of importance to them through their local elected officials

&gt;
&gt; I'll send Wellstone's resolution as a second e-mail, in case you'd like
&gt; to see the inspiration for mine.
&gt;
&gt; Look forward to getting your comments!
&gt;
&gt; --X
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I have contacted Judy.  She is planning on calling at about 1:00 on
Saturday.

Who is the replacement outie for Action?

X
Dear X,

I'm refering this to you since I know you have a cell phone and I suspect
you'll be at the rally Saturday.
I got a call from Judy (can't find her last name) - one of the people on
her way to Georgia.  They would like to call us at the rally on Saturday
and give us a live update of what's going on so we can announce it. They
are going to be using the following cell phone: 608-279-5726.  A guy called
X might answer it (I guess it's his phone).
Could you please call them at that number or at Judy's home number at
XXX-XXXX and let them know if they can call you Saturday?

thanks,
X

p.s. could my name be taken off from the web site and from future meetings
as the outie for Action, since I really do not attend meeting regularly and
I cannot give out accurate information? thanks.



_______________________________________________
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_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
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Hi all!

If this email looks familiar it is because I am trying to help put together
a coord comm meeting as well organized as the one Gillam facilitated last
week.

The next Coordinating Committee meeting will be Sunday, November 18, at 4:00
p.m., at Memorial Union (Check TITU for room location).  I have NOT
submitted the room reservation request.  I understand from the minutes that
Derek has this covered.

IMPORTANT:  If you're an Outie, and you cannot attend, please ensure that
someone else from your Working Group/Caucus is at this meeting.

As you know, we continually postpone agenda items at our meetings.  As
facilitator for the upcoming meeting, I would like to help us move through
the agenda more quickly.

FIRST:  I am asking each Outie to post his/her Working Group's or Caucus's
report to the CC mailing list BY FRIDAY NIGHT.  Your report should be
divided into three parts:  (1) update on the WG/C's activities; (2) requests
for assistance from other WG/Cs, and (3)  proposals to be acted on by the CC
or general membership.  This will enable us to read the updates ahead of
time, and focus our meeting time on the requests for assistance and
proposals.

SECOND:  Anyone with a proposal to present should write it up and send it
out to the CC list, again BY FRIDAY NIGHT.  This way, the proponent won't
have to spend meeting time explaining the proposal, and we can jump right
into questions and discussion.

Please note that the success of these measures is dependent both on everyone
sending out the advance e-mail reports &amp; proposals AND on everyone reading
their e-mail prior to the meeting.

I would also like to follow the suggestion that we defer action on all
proposals from WGs &amp; Caucus until after all WG/Cs have reported.

The proposed agenda for the meeting is as follows:

1.  Introductions &amp; Check-in
2.  Additions/amendments to agenda
3.  Approval of minutes

4.  Working Group &amp; Caucus Reports
5.  Action on Working Group/Caucus Proposals
Old Business:
6.  Proposal:  MAPC/SWAIG Newsletter
7.  Proposal:  Peace Draft
8.  Adding at-large CC members
New Business:

Please let me know if you have any additional items to add; I will print up
an updated agenda for distribution at the meeting.

Thanks,
X
P.S.  If you are no longer the Outie for your WG/C, please forward this
e-mail to the new Outie.  Thanks.


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc


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note: Also implicated in supporting the Indonesian radical Muslim group
Laskar Jihad is the Indonesian security forces, notably in attacks on
Christian residents of the Maluccan islands.  In the "politicians do the
darndest things" category, the Bush administration plans to globalize its
"war against terrorism" by resuming arms sales and training for this same
Indonesian military (which itself could easily be considered a terrorist
organization, by any honest definition of the term).
____________________________________________
East Timor Action Network field organizer   ETAN field office
Social Justice Center
office 608-663-5431                         1202 Williamson St
cell 608-347-4598                           Madison, WI 53703
home 608-255-4598                           fax 608-227-0141

Check out these internet sites!
the East Timor Action Network/US      http://www.etan.org
Madison, WI - East Timor projects     http://www.aideasttimor.org
Madison's Social Justice Center       http://www.socialjusticecenter.org

"We struggled for more than 24 years for independence. We've learned the
lesson that even small people have a voice."
    -East Timorese leader Mari Alkatiri, during the August 30, 2001
Constituent Assembly vote

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excerpt: Most worrisome to the U.S. is Indonesia. Bush administration
officials say they believe Indonesia's most militant fundamentalist
Islamic group, Laskar Jihad, has ties to Taliban fighters. Investigators
are studying reports that some of the missing Indonesian fighters
who trained in Afghanistan may have ended up with the group.

The Wall Street Journal
October 26, 2001

Past Catches Up to Southeast Asia
Amid Search for Terrorist Groups

Southeast Asia has been fertile ground for terrorist operations in
	he past, and the region is still under pressure from Islamic groups
and can't be seen as too malleable to American demands.

By HELENE COOPER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

WASHINGTON -- Three years ago, 1,500 young Indonesian men thought to be
involved in their country's fight to keep East Timor went to Afghanistan to
train with Taliban fighters, U.S. officials say; they also believe all 1,500
returned home. But today, U.S. officials say they only know the whereabouts
of 1,000 of them.

An Indonesian government official wouldn't confirm or deny that any of its
citizens sought training in Afghanistan. Instead, he said Thursday that
"intelligence cooperation between Indonesia and the U.S. has taken place to
address" concerns about any such trainees. But American officials are far
less circumspect. "There's a time bomb of 500 young people in Indonesia,"
says one U.S. official, "and that really concerns the American government."

As U.S. jets bomb Taliban targets in Afghanistan, senior Bush administration
officials are turning their attention to other fronts in America's war on
terrorism. Increasingly, Southeast Asia, home to some of the world's largest
Muslim populations, is climbing up the priority list of potential trouble
spots.

For the Bush administration, this presents a two-fold problem in Malaysia
and
Indonesia, whose populations are majority Muslim, and the Philippines, which
is predominantly Catholic but has a small Muslim population fueling a
separatist movement on its southern islands. All three countries are led by
secular governments that the U.S. doesn't want to undermine. All three also
are under pressure from Islamic groups and can't be seen as too malleable to
American demands.

But in the past, Southeast Asia has been fertile ground -- and at times a
launch pad -- for terrorist operations. In 1995, police in the Philippines
uncovered a plot to crash an airplane into the Central Intelligence Agency's
Langley, Va., headquarters. During the Persian Gulf War, Iraqi agents
allegedly tried to blow up the U.S. ambassador's residence in Indonesia,
which has the world's largest Muslim population. And an Islamic separatist
group based in the southern Philippines this year expanded its profitable
kidnapping operations to Malaysia, the U.S. Department of State reported in
its most recent terrorism report.


That leaves White House officials walking a tightrope. The administration
wants to pressure Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines to crack down on
terrorist cells operating inside their borders. But U.S. officials also are
wary of stirring up anti-American sentiment in countries whose Muslim
populations have long existed peaceably alongside other religious groups.

The dilemma for President Bush was highlighted at last week's summit among
Asian-Pacific nations in Shanghai, China. Mr. Bush was mostly successful in
his efforts to get a strong statement from the Pacific Rim leaders: The
communique issued at the end of the weekend meeting "unequivocally"
condemned
the Sept. 11 attacks as "murderous deeds," and denounced terrorism "in all
forms and manifestations."

But largely because of pressure from Malaysia and Indonesia, the statement
was noticeably silent on two major points. It made no mention of Osama bin
Laden. And it didn't endorse the U.S.-led military strikes in Afghanistan.

Both Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri and Malaysian Prime Minister
Mahathir Mohamad are struggling with the dilemma of how to crack down on the
rise of militant Islamists without alienating the rest of their
mostly-Muslim
populations. U.S. officials acknowledge they have to tiptoe around those
concerns when seeking help in their campaign against terrorism.

Asian Anxiety

Some of the militant Islamic groups based in East Asia

The Philippines

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), operating in the southern Philippines, is a radical
Islamic separatist group with as many as 2,000 members. It has engaged in
bombings, kidnapping and extortion.

Alex Bonyacayo Brigade (ABB) is an offshoot of the Communist Party of the
Philippines National PeopleÕs Army. It has about 500 members, and has been
involved in more than 100 murders and various attacks on foreign businesses.
Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) is the largest Islamist separatist
group
remaining in the Philippines. Philippine officials have accused it of
several
bombings, including two at shopping malls and five in Manila on Dec. 30.
Indonesia

Laskar Jihad -- This organization, with membership in the thousands, fights
in a sectarian conflict that has left thousands of people dead in eastern
Indonesia.
Malaysia

Al-Ma'unah -- This Malaysian Islamic sect last year raided two military
armories and took four hostages, killing two.
Sources: U.S. Department of State Patterns of Global Terrorism 2000; WSJ
research
"We respect that a country like Malaysia has internal challenges and
tensions
it must deal with," U.S. Trade Rep. Robert Zoellick said after meeting Mr.
Mahathir in China last week.

Administration officials believe they may have more maneuvering room with
Indonesia. President Megawati, who recently took over leadership of a
country
devastated by internal conflict, needs U.S. aid. During a visit to
Washington
last month she requested American economic assistance in the form of loans
and other aid, while condemning the terrorist attacks and expressing
cautious
support for measures against terrorism.


U.S. officials are considering offering her more military, economic and
political support as a carrot to crack down on Islamic militants. But there
again, it is a tough call, Bush officials say. Many Congressional leaders
don't like the idea of bolstering the Indonesian military, which has been
criticized by human-rights groups.

About 85% of Indonesia's 210 million people follow Islam. Two-thirds of
Malaysia's 23 million people are Muslim. Just 3% of the Philippines' 83
million people are Muslim, but they have fought a separatist insurrection
for
years. Thailand also has a restive Muslim minority.

Even before Sept. 11, U.S. officials were fretting about the rise of Muslim
militancy in Southeast Asia, and in particular, about links there to Osama
bin Laden's al Qaeda network. In the Philippines, Mr. bin Laden's
brother-in-law, Saudi businessman Mohamed Jamal Khalifa, helped found Abu
Sayyaf, an al Qaeda offshoot believed to be responsible for a rash of
kidnappings and murders, investigators say. Abu Sayyaf claims it is seeking
an independent Muslim state in the Philippines, but the Filipino government
characterizes the group as a gang of bandits that specializes in kidnappings
and piracy. Among other crimes, the group claimed to have beheaded an
American hostage whose remains were found on Basilan Island this month.

Earlier this week, five U.S. military advisers arrived in Zamboanga, in the
southern Philippines, joining about 25 U.S. troops who arrived last week to
train Philippine forces fighting Abu Sayyaf.

U.S. officials believe Abu Sayyaf is the key to al Qaeda links in Southeast
Asia. Indeed, in Malaysia, Abu Sayyaf last year kidnapped 21 people,
including 10 foreign tourists, from a diving resort, State Department
officials say.

Most worrisome to the U.S. is Indonesia. Bush administration officials say
they believe Indonesia's most militant fundamentalist Islamic group, Laskar
Jihad, has ties to Taliban fighters. Investigators are studying reports that
some of the missing Indonesian fighters who trained in Afghanistan may have
ended up with the group. Laskar Jihad officials deny they have any links to
Osama bin Laden, but confirm that the group's founder, Ja'far Umar Thalib,
fought in Afghanistan and met Mr. bin Laden. In addition, Laskar Jihad
leaders say they have "trainers" with Afghan fighting experience.

Not everyone in the administration views Indonesia as a threat. Indeed, one
U.S. official played down the worries about the unaccounted-for fighters.
Likewise, W. Scott Thompson, director of the Southeast Asia studies program
at Tufts University in Boston, says it shouldn't be assumed that U.S.
officials' inability to locate 500 men means they all joined terrorist
groups.

"It's not as if 500 missing men have gone and hidden on a mountain. [It's]
probably more like 50 that we need to worry about, while the rest went and
got jobs with the Ford Foundation," he said.

Chris Dagg, a Southeast Asia specialist at Simon Fraser University in
Burnaby, Canada, also plays down terrorism fears in Indonesia. "The groups
in
Indonesia are pretty homegrown, and fairly internal-looking," he said. "I'd

be surprised if they were [recipients of] international terrorist support."

Even so, Mr. Thompson says the U.S. rates Indonesia at "a level 6" out of 10
as a source of anxiety. "This is a big country," he explains, "and it's
falling apart."

-- Jay Solomon contributed to this article.


Far Eastern Economic Review
Issue cover-dated November 1, 2001

Intelligence

Aceh Marijuana Funds Bin Laden

The United States believes associates of Osama bin Laden have been raising
money for the wanted Saudi millionaire from the thriving marijuana trade in
Indonesia's troubled Aceh province. But when the then U.S. ambassador,
Robert Gelbard, approached Indonesian intelligence agencies and former
President Abdurrahman Wahid a year ago with evidence, he was largely
ignored. Former Attorney General Marzuki Darusman says Gelbard told him that
the military intelligence agency had accepted his offer of a briefing, but
that the civilian State Intelligence Agency turned down his offer without
explanation. The ambassador also raised the issue with Wahid, but Darusman
says the president was distracted by efforts to find a solution to Aceh's
worsening separatist rebellion. Bin Laden's alleged involvement in the
marijuana trade was never made public, but Gelbard did insist on several
occasions, long before the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington,
that bin Laden's network maintained a small, apparently dormant cell in
Indonesia.
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RAWA will be here in Chicago!
RAWA: The Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan.

The following in a free program at
Harold Washington Library Center/Chicago Public Library.
Society in Focus/Women's History Month Committee Program:
Please post and share:

Saturday, November 10, 2001, 2:00 P.M.
Harold Washington Library Center
Chicago Authors Room, 7th Floor
400 S. State St.
Free

Society in Focus

The Struggle for Womens Emancipation
  in South Asia and the Middle East
RAWA:
The Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan

Panel discussion including:
Tahmeena Faryal, RAWA representative  (not her real name)
Janet Afary:
Purdue University, Iranian feminist and scholar,
author of The Iranian Constitutional Revolution, 1906-1911:
Grassroots Democracy, Social Democracy &amp; the Origins of Feminism
Madhuri Deskmukh: Oakton Community College, Indian feminist
Manal Sam, Palestinian women's rights activist
Saturday, November 10, 2001, 2:00 P.M.
Harold Washington Library Center
Chicago Authors Room, 7th Floor
400 S. State St.
Free
NO CAMERAS (STILL OR VIDEO) OR AUDIO RECORDING ALLOWED
RAWA was established in Kabul, Afghanistan, in 1977 as an
independent, all volunteer, non-violent political/social
organization of Afghan women fighting for human rights and social
justice in Afghanistan.  RAWA, secretly and under the threat of
death, conducts nursing courses, literacy courses, and vocational
training courses for women. In addition, they provide schooling for
  children, as well as medical care. In neighboring Pakistan, RAWA
provides Afghan refugees with aid, runs orphanages, and sponsors
income-generating projects.
For more information about RAWA:    http://www.rawa.org

Co-sponsored by News and Letters Committees/Open University of the Left
Society in Focus/Womens History Month Committee  program
312-747-4600

________________________________________________________________________
Another unrelated but good source of information about women in
Afghanistan is:
The Feminist Majoritiy Foundation
http://www.feminist.org/afghan/intro.asp
Read articles; make donations; take action.
______________________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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I have been placing and collecting funds at these local businesses
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these stores and restaurants and when you see our blue boxes, put
your donation in!

Lakeside Press, Nature's Bakery, Willy St. Co-op, Mifflin St. Co-op,
Magic Mill Grocery, Rainbow Bookstore Cooperative, Cafe Assisi,
Community Pharmacy

_______________________________________________
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Subject: [MAPC-policy] Re: S1510/Feingold meeting/our next meeting


As the hour struck Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 02:54:01PM -0500, x
raved:

&gt; Hello all,
&gt;
&gt; Look on the bright side - now we know where Kohl stands on the bill
&gt; (bastard)...

Truly a black day.  Did you know that the House has *dropped* the PATRIOT
act and is moving to vote on a copy of the senate bill *today*?  Call x!

What do they hope to accomplish by muzzling debate?

&gt;
&gt; I'd like to suggest we meet before the next general MAPC meeting - say
5:45
&gt; Tues 10/16 in the Memorial Union, in the same room where the 6:30 general
&gt; MAPC meeting will be. If that room is occupied, let's meet in the good old
&gt; Paul Bunyan room. How does that sound?
&gt;


&gt;     Although there's a lot we should continue to do on the Congressional
&gt; level, I think it'd be good to come up with a plan for getting our city
&gt; council to pass a sense resolution for peace, in protection of civil
&gt; liberties, etc. We'd need to check to see if anything's been passed since
&gt; Sept 11, figure out who on the Council to approach, talk with them about
&gt; what's the best angle to take. Once we decide how to proceed, we can draw
up
&gt; a petition in support of the resolution.

I have mixed feelings about that.  The Madison school board's decision re:
the
Pledge has stirred up the viper's nest of right-wingnuts.  Madison is
getting
a *lot* of very bad national press.  Although of course I won't simply bend
over for the loons, I think we have to consider the uneven impact such a
resolution would have in that context.

Basically, it seems like a potentially very divisive tactic.  We don't have
the
support yet to afford such confrontations, I think.

My $.02,

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----- Original Message -----
From: &lt;register@washingtonpost.com&gt;
To: &lt;rick@kissell.org&gt;
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:28 PM
Subject: A washingtonpost.com article from a washingtonpost.com user


&gt; You have been sent this message from a washingtonpost.com user as a
courtesy of the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com).
&gt;
&gt; To view the entire article, go to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37718-2001Nov15.html
&gt;
&gt; On Left and Right, Concern Over Anti-Terrorism Moves
&gt;
&gt; By George Lardner Jr.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; A growing chorus on the left and the right is accusing the Bush
administration of ignoring civil liberties while leaving the courts and
Congress out in the cold as it aggressively pursues the war on terrorism
here and abroad.
&gt;
&gt; Critics ranging from the solidly liberal People for the American Way
Foundation to conservative Rep. Robert L. Barr Jr. (R-Ga.) are
characterizing recently announced administration plans as ethnic profiling,
power grabbing and overzealous law enforcement.
&gt;
&gt; "Military tribunals, secret evidence, no numbers on how many people the
government is detaining," said Jim Zogby, president of the Arab-American
Institute. "We're looking like a Third World country."
&gt;
&gt; The latest focus of the debate is an order signed by President Bush this
week that empowers him to order military trials here and abroad for
international terrorists and their collaborators.
&gt;
&gt; But other complaints concern Attorney General John D. Ashcroft's decision
to monitor conversations between lawyers and some clients in federal custody
if Ashcroft believes it is necessary to thwart future terrorism; the plan to
question 5,000 foreign nationals who recently entered the country; and the
FBI's visits to hundreds of college campuses to check on the records of
foreign students, mostly from Middle Eastern countries.
&gt;
&gt; Under pressure from the Justice Department, the State Department also has
agreed to slow temporarily the granting of visas to Arab and Muslim males,
ages 16 to 45, from 25 countries so the FBI and INS can conduct security
checks.
&gt;
&gt; The administration has made no apologies, saying the nation is in the
midst of an extraordinary emergency.
&gt;
&gt; "I think it's important to understand that we are at war now," Ashcroft
said earlier this week in defending military tribunals.
&gt;
&gt; Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh said that the overriding goal of the
Justice Department is to "prevent further terrorist attacks" but that at the
same time it must take care "not to redefine the line between law
enforcement and civil liberties."
&gt;
&gt; Critics in Congress, legal scholars and spokesmen for the nation's Arab
American community have voiced misgivings about the new anti-terrorism laws,
passed last month as the USA-Patriot Act. But they are far more vocal about
what the administration has done since then.
&gt;
&gt; Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) said he
intends to hold hearings on the military tribunals directive and other
recent steps that have been taken without consulting Congress.
&gt;
&gt; "There's a lot of disquiet among both Republican and Democratic senators
who think the rules of law are being turned on their head, and they wonder
what we gain by it," Leahy said in an interview. "I want to know what
security needs are being met, or whether this is action for the sake of
having action when you can't catch people."
&gt;
&gt; House Judiciary Committee members have also called for hearings. Barr said
the administration should have given the new anti-terrorist laws time to
work, then gone back to Congress if they turned out to be insufficient.
&gt;
&gt; "Instead, it seems their attitude is, 'Well, that wasn't enough so we're
going to take more,' " Barr told a reporter. "I'm not sure we can ever
satisfy the federal government's insatiable appetite for more power."
&gt;
&gt; Advocacy groups from both sides of the political spectrum have joined the
debate. Ralph Neas, president of the People for the American Way Foundation,
accused Ashcroft of "waging a relentless assault on civil liberties." Among
the most troubling actions, Neas said, was the order empowering Ashcroft to
violate the attorney-client privilege without a court order.
&gt;
&gt; The Justice Department said the order so far pertains only to 13 people in
federal custody, none of them connected to the Sept. 11 attacks.
&gt;
&gt; "Terrorism isn't the only threat to our way of life," Neas said yesterday.
"We need an attorney general who will stand up to terrorists, but we also
need an attorney general who will stand up for the Constitution and the Bill
of Rights."
&gt;
&gt; Zogby said the administration's emergency measures are already undermining
U.S. credibility abroad, where thousands of Arab men, students, businessmen
and, in some cases, royalty are having visa requests held up for security
checks.
&gt;
&gt; Just back from a trip to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, Zogby
said the fear of U.S. authorities there is widespread.
&gt;
&gt; "Forty percent of the students from the UAE who were in the United States
. . . have already gone home," Zogby said.
&gt;
&gt; Tim Lynch, director of the Cato Institute's project on criminal justice,
said it appears that the president's strong support in public opinion polls
has fostered "an arrogance at the White House." He said officials believe
they can take presidential power "farther than it's gone before."
&gt;
&gt; Lynch was especially critical of the order for military tribunals. They
would be able to impose sentences as severe as death on a two-thirds vote,
hold trials in secret and rely on evidence that would be rejected in a civil
court.
&gt;
&gt; "It undermines the courts, obviously," Lynch said of the order, "and it
undermines Congress because it is essentially legislating action by
presidential edict."
&gt;
&gt; Issued by Bush as commander in chief, the military order directs the
secretary of defense to detain indefinitely any noncitizen who Bush has
"reason to believe" is a past or present member of Osama bin Laden's al
Qaeda terror network, has engaged in international terrorism directed at
U.S. interests or has "knowingly harbored such individuals."
&gt;
&gt; Military tribunals, using whatever standard of proof Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld chooses, then would be able to try those individuals for
"all offenses triable by military commission" -- in other words, offenses
under the laws of war.
&gt;
&gt; "This is absolutely, totally constitutional," an administration official
conversant with the decree said yesterday. "The only ones to be tried will
be foreign enemy belligerents."
&gt;
&gt; That could include an al Qaeda cell member planning more acts of violence,
he said. "If they're hiding and planning acts of violence," he said, "they
are in violation of the laws of war. The U.S. Constitution doesn't protect
them."
&gt;
&gt; Bush's order does not allow for judicial review. Several legal experts
said a little-noticed provision at the end of the directive order also
appears to be an effort by the president to suspend the right of habeas
corpus, which prisoners can use to challenge their detention.
&gt;
&gt; President Franklin D. Roosevelt claimed such authority, without success,
when he ordered a secret military trial of eight Nazi saboteurs during World
War II.
&gt;
&gt; Bush said that "any individual subject to this order shall not be
privileged to seek any remedy . . . in any court of the United States, or
any state thereof."
&gt;
&gt; "The word 'privileged' is the tip-off," said Philip A. Lacovara, a former
deputy U.S. solicitor general. He said he was surprised by the provision
even though he favors military tribunals as the best response to the attacks
of Sept. 11.
&gt;
&gt; "The Constitution sets out only two grounds for suspending the privilege
of challenging one's detention on a habeas corpus petition: one is invasion
and the other is rebellion. Even in the Civil War, the courts were reluctant
to allow President Lincoln to dispense with habeas corpus."
&gt;
&gt; Lacovara added: "It adds another level of controversy to the order."
&gt;
&gt; Dan Bartlett, the White House's communications director, denied that the
order forecloses habeas corpus petitions for noncitizens detained in the
United States for military trials.
&gt;
&gt; During World War II, the Supreme Court reviewed the saboteurs' case
despite Roosevelt's attempts to block their petition for release. The White
House is aware that would probably occur if Bush tried the same thing,
administration officials said.
&gt;
&gt; &lt;em&gt;Staff writers Dan Eggen and Mary Beth Sheridan contributed to this
report.&lt;/em&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;


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Dear Friends,
     Here's something that will come up tomorrow night.
     The Policy Committee would like to bring a resolution to the city
council.  We decided to focus on the humanitarian situation, but added a bit
obliquely opposing the bombing at the end--that part we doubt will pass.  We
based much of this on Wellstone's S.172 resolution introduced on  10/18.
     We expect to negotiate the language with alders we approach, in order
to craft something they are willing to bring to the council and/or vote for.
  If we get something to pass, it could send a strong message about how much
common ground there is among Americans...
     Please review the draft below and provide feedback--on content
especially.  What MUST be in this resolution?  What CANNOT be in this
resolution?
     Thank you.

X


===================================================================
A RESOLUTION regarding the urgent need to provide emergency humanitarian
assistance and development assistance to civilians in Afghanistan, including
Afghan refugees in surrounding countries.


SPONSORS:	[Alders names here.]


WHEREAS,	a disastrous humanitarian crisis is underway, with an estimated 7.5
million people in Afghanistan facing critical food shortage or outright
starvation this winter; and

WHEREAS,	70 percent of these people are women and children, and the UN
estimates 400,000 children under five will likely die this year, an increase
of over 30 percent from last year; and

WHEREAS, 	food aid shipments have been disrupted because of U.S bombing in
Afghanistan; and

WHEREAS,	the aid agencies active in the region, including the Nobel laureate
Doctors Without Borders (MSF), Oxfam International and the World Food
Program have stated that the U.S. food
drops can not meet the increasing and urgent need for assistance; and

WHEREAS,	Madison now participates directly and indirectly in U.S. military
efforts through many channels, including the federal taxes its citizens pay,
and through its citizens' participation in the armed forces; and

WHEREAS,	the Mayor and Common Council are appalled at the mass starvation
that will result from these actions to which they are a party if the
situation is not speedily addressed; and

WHEREAS,	The Mayor and Common Council deplore the dishonor such an outcome
would be for the victims of the terrorist attacks of September 11th;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Common Council urge a
resolution to the situation that minimizes loss of life; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT humanitarian concerns must now be a top priority
for U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, especially as there exists a narrow
window of opportunity for supplying food to the region's population before
winter makes this difficult or impossible; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT Afghanistan's neighbors should immediately
reopen their borders to allow for the safe passage of refugees, and the U.S.
and other members of the international community must be prepared to
contribute to the economic costs incurred by the flight of desperate Afghan
civilians; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States must actively support the work
of various agencies to deliver assistance in Afghanistan, particularly
through overland truck convoys, and support safe humanitarian access to
affected populations, in partnership with humanitarian agencies in
quantities sufficient to alleviate a large scale humanitarian catastrophe;
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including efforts to protect the basic human rights of women and children;
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BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States should support democratic
processes in Afghanistan leading to a government which represents all its
people, including women; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the people of Madison, in solidarity with the
international community and in their capacity as citizens of the United
States, will consider the Government of the United States responsible for
both the direct consequences of its military actions in Afghanistan and for
the results of its indifference to the priority of humanitarian concerns in
Afghanistan and the surrounding region.
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When I made the motion for the "two pronged" strategy, I phrased it as a
"recommendation" from the membership to the Policy Working Group, in
anticipation of this possibility.  Ultimately, the alders, not MAPC or the
Policy Committee, are in control of this process.

If your group feels that it has made its best effort to get a stronger
version introduced, and the alders won't go for it, then I have no problem
with proceeding with whatever the alders are willing to support.

The unfortunate consequence is that we will lose out on the opportunity to
hold a very public debate over the war itself -- something that, as Allen
suggested at the meeting based on Gulf War precedent, would be a great
organizing opportunity.  But, as I say, we're not in control of this
process, so we take what we can get.

One suggestion:  Perhaps when hearings are held on the "weaker" version, we
can encourage speakers to support that resolution, but urge the Council to
take a stronger position in the future.

X

----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;policy@madpeace.org&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: [MAPC-policy] resolution update


&gt; Hi Everyone,
&gt;
&gt;    The progressive caucus thought they would be ready to act on something
&gt; AFTER Thanksgiving.  Apparently changing "prayers" to "sympathies" was
very
&gt; divisive last time, so they needed a breather.
&gt;
&gt;    I still haven't gotten the in-depth feedback on this--Thursday night I
&gt; should.  X has been appointed to do this for me.
&gt;
&gt;    X suggested we intro the whole text as a "communication"
(no
&gt; alder's name attached).  That could be done BEFORE Thanksgiving.
&gt;
&gt;    My first step though will be to call X, to make sure I am
&gt; acting on her excellent strategy advice.
&gt;
&gt;    I'd like the Policy Committee's input on something though.  How far do
we
&gt; pursue the two-pronged approach?  What I'm hearing from the progressive
&gt; alders is that they don't want something too "divisive" (presumably to
their
&gt; own caucus?), which means they want to back the weakest thing we've
&gt; presented them with.  If we are going to introduce one final text "as a
&gt; communication" I definitely need the Policy Committee's OK on what that
&gt; final text should be.
&gt;
&gt;    OK, I'll get back to you when I know more.
&gt;
&gt;    Sorry about all the e-mail.
&gt;
&gt; --X
&gt;
&gt; _________________________________________________________________
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; policy@madpeace.org
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy
&gt;


_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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Hi all, just a reminder to meet at 6 pm at Wilmar before the meeting Tues.
X, thanks for your message - bringing hard copies for the resolution
is a great idea.  X said she will post it on "discuss" for review,
which people can subscribe to through the madpeace website.

If anyone can come before 6 pm, I will be there and will be setting up
chairs for the general meeting.  It would be great to have some helpers for
that!

Sarah


_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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