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Monday, March 18, 2002 10:40 AM
9/11 Benefits for Gay Americans

As a gay man and U.S. citizen who works in New York City, I am apalled 
at the recently published position of the September 11 Victim 
Compensation Fund.

My understanding is that the Fund has decided to selectively alter U.S. 
law.  The Fund is recognizing the rights of unborn fetuses and illegal 
aliens in a manner contrary to the laws of the various states and the 
federel government to get benefits to those who lost loved ones on 9/11. 
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when asked to compensate same-sex partners of the victims of 9/11, many 
of whom are nationally revered as heros, and rightly so.

This "selective acknowledgement" of the law is discrimination, pure and 
simple.  Shame on you for dishonoring noble Americans in this petty 
manner.  Shame on you.

Individual Comment

 
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December 18, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
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950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
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To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
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traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
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double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money
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Sincerely,
     
Individual Comment

New York,NY 
 
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Saturday, March 16, 2002 9:28 PM
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Look at what we have in common.  We are all humans.  We love the same.  We dream the same.  We live the same.  We die the same.  Please treat us all the same.  Gay or straight we have all dealt with the tragedy of Sept 11.  We have all cried for the lost.  Felt joy for the saved.  Had resentment towards those responsible.  Prayed that it would never happen again.  And wept at the loss of talented, loving, caring people.  Gay and straight.  Don't sink to the level of those responsible for the tragedy of 9/11.  Don't discriminate against your own fellow American's.  Have we not all suffered enough?  Do we have to fight our own country for the equality that our own Constitution says everyone should have?  This war is already very personal, very difficult for those who lost loved ones in this terrible time.  Please don't make it harder for us.

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December 14, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
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Sincerely,
Individual Comment     
Columbia,MO 

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Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:41 AM
survivor benefits


December  19, 2001

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian,gay and bisexual people were killed in the September 11th
attacks, as were many unmarried heterosexual domestic partners. Since then,
lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had mixed results
in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the distribution of
relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive policy on the
part of the federal government would help establish an important principle
for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real justice will be served
only when all families - and all types of families - impacted by the human
rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,

Individual Comment
St. Peter, MN 

 
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Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:34 PM
"September 11 Victim Compensation Fund."

                      
Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
comments regarding the forthcoming regulations for implementing
and administering the "September 11 Victim Compensation Fund." 
I strongly urge the Department to draft regulations that ensure
compensation is available to all victims of the attack,
including the committed partners and the non-biological children
of gay and lesbian victims.

It is unquestionable that the devastating grief and economic
losses suffered by the families of gay and lesbian victims are
no less than that of other families.  Just as the terrorists
drew no lines in choosing their victims, our country must draw
no lines in compensating those who suffered the most personal of
losses from these horrific attacks.

Many Americans lost their lives on September 11, each of whom
left behind loved ones.  I urge the Department to honor these
bonds by treating the families of gay and lesbian victims as you
would any other.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Minneapolis, MN 

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gay benefits


I think that you are horrible people.  You will give benefits to people living in the United States illegally but not to the partners of gay or lesbian victims.  You hide behind state laws in one case but not the other.  Karma is real and everyone involved in this deliberate attack against homosexuals will reap what they sow.  Like it or not we are people too.  We pool our incomes, we raise children together, we cry.  We are real and you can't mistreat us forever.  

Individual Comment
Bakersfield, CA 
 
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.  Under
traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of
all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already  announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very important issues.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Cedar Key, FL
 
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Monday, March 11, 2002 1:56 PM
Blatant discrimination


How dare you choose to discriminate against those victims of Sept. 11 who
happen to be gay/lesbian by denying their loved ones compensation when other
victims' families, children (born or not!) receive aid through this fund.

By choosing to discriminate against these Americans based on the laws of the
states in which they lived, you - as representative of our federal
government - are denying the fact that all people should share the same
civil rights as guaranteed by the FEDERAL, not state, government.

I am shocked and ashamed that an organization such as this fund would let
partisan ethics and biases color its policy in this way. Your message that
there are Americans who perished on 9/11 are less deserving of our sympathy
and compassion than others simply because their lifestyle does not set well
with  some Republican (or conservative) sensibilities is appalling at best
and horrific at worst.  Shame on you.


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Wednesday, December 19, 2001 4:34 PM
Equal access to crisis relief benefits


December  19, 2001

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian and gay people were killed in the September 11th attacks.
Since then, lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had
mixed results in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the
distribution of relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive
policy on the part of the federal government would help establish an
important principle for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real
justice will be served only when all families - and all types of families -
impacted by the human rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with
dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Pittsburgh, PA 




 
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, 
including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.

Under traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars
per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
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restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of all
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double
blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money went to
those
who were already well off in the first place.

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families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of
marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of having to
prove
that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New York have already 
announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The Department of Justice
should
do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
important 
issues.

Sincerely,
     


Individual Comment
Port Orchard, WA 
 
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December 19, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

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I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
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traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
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having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
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Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
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Sincerely,
     
Individual Comment
Altadena, CA
 
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Friday, December 21, 2001 6:02 PM
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001

To whom it may concern:
First of all, this letter is not in any way meant to sound callous, greedy, 
or inconsiderate. However, I feel that I must voice my emotions to the people 
that I feel can best assist me, my United States Government. To my best 
knowledge, the September 11th Victim Compensation fund was created by the 
passing of the Airline System, Safety and Stabilization Act. However, I 
cannot see where any airline employees have been included in this 
compensation fund. I am a flight attendant who was laid off directly, by the 
events of September 11th. I have not been able to locate work in almost three 
months. I have mounting expenses that my "unemployment insurance"  checks are 
not covering. Since September 11th, I have been forced to cope with the 
horror of that day, loss of my colleauges, and then the loss of my job. This 
has require me to undergo the treatment of a therapist, which after January 
7, 2002, I will no longer be able to do since my health insurance will be 
terminated by my company. I feel deeply for those families that lost loved 
ones in the attacks on New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania, but what about 
those people also have been affected. I feel that the thousands of airline 
employees and other Americans who lost their jobs should be able to apply for 
some sort of compensation, for the amounts of money they have lost since 
September 11th. I have read from governmentguide.com, that the September 11th 
Victim Compensation Fund was created because of the Airline System, Safety 
and Stabilization Act. Apparently, the latter act only compensated airline 
companies for monies lost during the few days the nation's air system was 
shut down. It did not prevent one airline job from being lost during the 
aftermath. Shortly after September 11th, President Bush spoke to Americans 
from Chicago's O'Hare airport. He told Americans, to start flying, go about 
your business, and keep America rolling. Well, this holiday season I, as well 
as thousands of other Americans, would very much like to do what President 
Bush told us. Unfortunately, President Bush and our government, have not done 
a whole lot to get those who are unemployed due to this tragic event, to go 
about our business, our daily lives. Please tell me what we are supposed to 
do. I would like to apply for compensation but it appears that I am not 
allowed since I did not have any family who died in the attacks. I have not 
been assisted by the millions of dollars collected by charitable 
organizations, nor by my own government. All I want for Christmas this year, 
is my job back and a sense of normalcy in my life. The way things are 
looking, I guess I wont be getting those two things on my wish list. Which is 
just as well, since I cannot afford to buy anyone gifts this year. I realize 
this letter has been long winded and I appreciate you taking the time to read 
it. Again, please do not misinterpret me as a callous whiner, who doesnt care 
about others. My thoughts and prayers are with all of the families and 
friends of the victims of September 11th, who were true heros that died for 
their country. However, who is thinking and praying for all those people, 
including me, who have not been able to truly live their lives since that 
horrific, sad day. Please do not forget about us. Thank you.
Sincerely,

Individual Comment


 
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Friday, January 25, 2002 11:13 PM

Dear Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to keep the current system in place for victims' 
compensation.  I've been surprised at the protests from the families against 
a perceived unfairness of the distribution.  Our country and our government 
has been placed in an unfortunate position that is unprecedented, and we 
simply can't be 'all things to all people'.  Because of September 11, the 
airline industry is suffering, businesses and manufacturers are suffering, 
and people are losing and have lost jobs.  All of these things must be 
considered when determining how much the government can afford to pay out.  
Unfortunately for the victims, the good of the country must be first and 
foremost.  The victims have the option of declining the government's money 
in hopes of obtaining a bigger payout from the airlines.  I believe in the 
current state of our country, this is more than fair.

Thank you,

Individual Comment
 
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December 3, 2001


Kenneth L. Zwick, Director
Office of Management Programs, Civil Division
U.S. Department of Justice

Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public comments regarding the 
forthcoming regulations for implementing and administering the "September 11 Victim
Compensation Fund."  I strongly urge the Department to draft regulations that ensure 
compensation is available to ALL victims of the attack, including the committed 
partners and the non-biological children of gay and lesbian victims.

Sadly, there are those on the Radical Religious Right who would like to see the 
surviving partners and children of gay and lesbian victims excluded from the benefits
of the Fund. This would be cruel and reprehensible.

It is unquestionable that the devastating grief and economic losses suffered by the
families of gay and lesbian victims are no less than that of other families. Just as the
terrorists drew no lines in choosing their victims, our country must draw no lines in
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attacks.

Many Americans lost their lives on September 11, each of whom left behind loved ones.
I urge the Department to honor these bonds by treating the families of gay and lesbian 
victims as we would any other.  To do less would be unChristian.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Pittsburg, KS 

 
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Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:05 PM
9/11

Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
comments regarding the forthcoming regulations for implementing
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I strongly urge the Department to draft regulations that ensure
compensation is available to all victims of the attack,
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It is unquestionable that the devastating grief and economic
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Many Americans lost their lives on September 11, each of whom
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Sincerely,
Individual Comment

 
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Sunday, March 17, 2002 2:03 PM
9/11 Victim's Fund Unfair to Gays

To whom it may concern

I was absolutely shocked when I read this story. Shocked and outraged that partners of gays and lesbians who died in the September 11 terrorist attacks are not "automatically" going to receive benefits that heterosexual partners do.

Many countries and citizens of those countries look to the USA as the greatest democracy in the world.  Leader of the free world.  How can you live up to that reputation when you treat your gay citizens this way.               who helped bring down the flight in Pennsylvania, NY Fire Dept.              who died in the line of duty when the first tower fell, and              who was              of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon and the many, many more--are they not heroes?  Don't they deserve to be treated equally?  I would think that the Patriotism, love for fellow man and country shown by these men on that terrible day would unite all Americans regardless of colour, race and sexual orientation.

I am very saddened and appalled that you would treat your own citizens this way.  
If I could, I would direct the donation that I made to aid the families of the victims to go to a gay or lesbian who lost THEIR loved one that day.

Yours truly,

Individual Comment
Dartmouth, NS  Canada
 
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Monday, January 07, 2002 2:49 PM
Victim's Compensation

My husband, &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp, was killed in the world trade center on Sept. 11 while attending the &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp conference at &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp. He was a &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp., a subsidiary of &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp, &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp.

My husband was 39 years old. We have one child, our daughter who turned 10 years old on Sept. 22.

Because of the salary cap imposed by the Special Master, which does not even match my husband's base salary, let alone allow for bonus and other benefits, and because of the generous insurance policies of &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp and &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp, I and our daughter will receive nothing from the income compensation portion of the fund if the fund remains as currently structured.

I am older than my husband (I am 48), have worked only part time in recent years for an hourly wage in a much less in-demand field and as such my earning potential is much much lower than his. I had understood that Congress' intent was to as much as possible, and within reason, try to maintain the economic level which existed before the attacks. In my case, if the restrictions remain as they currently are written, our economic level will in no way be reflective of my husband's support.

I plead with you to raise the annual salary cap to at least twice the current level and to not deduct insurance and other benefit payments from the income award.

Thank you for your consideration.

Individual Comment
Garden City, NY


 
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December 15, 2001                            


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.  Under
traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of
all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money
went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The
Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
important issues.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Leslie,AR 

 
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Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:20 PM
Equal Rights for All Affected by the Events of 9/11/01


December  29, 2001

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian and gay people were killed in the September 11th attacks.
Since then, lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had
mixed results in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the
distribution of relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive
policy on the part of the federal government would help establish an
important principle for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real
justice will be served only when all families - and all types of families -
impacted by the human rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with
dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Aiken, SC


 
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