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 From: X
 Date: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:05 PM
 To: XXX
 Subject: Did you all see this?

 Dear Friends,
 Forwarded to me as I forward it to you.

X
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 CNN:  AMERICAN MORNING WITH PAULA ZAHN
 Explosive New Book Published in France Alleges that U.S. Was in
 Negotiations  to Do a Deal with Taliban
 Aired January 8, 2002 - 07:34 ET

 PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Time to check in with ambassador-in- residence,
 Richard Butler, this morning. An explosive new book published in France
 alleges that the United States was in negotiations
 to do a deal with the Taliban for an oil pipeline in Afghanistan.

 Joining us right now is Richard Butler to shed some light on this new
 book.  He is the former chief U.N. weapons inspector. He is now on the
 Council on Foreign Relations and our own ambassador-in-residence -- good
 morning.

 RICHARD BUTLER, FMR. U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTOR: Good morning, Paula.

 ZAHN: Boy, if any of these charges are true...

 BUTLER: If...

 ZAHN: ... this...

 BUTLER: Yes.

 ZAHN: ... is really big news.

 BUTLER: I agree.

 ZAHN: Start off with what your understanding is of what is in this book
 --  the most explosive charge.

 BUTLER: The most explosive charge, Paula, is that the Bush administration --
 the present one -- just shortly after assuming office, slowed down FBI
 investigations of al Qaeda and terrorism in Afghanistan in order to do a
 deal with the Taliban on oil -- an oil pipeline across Afghanistan.

 ZAHN: And this book points out that the FBI's deputy director, John
 O'Neill, actually resigned because he felt the U.S. administration was
 obstructing...

 BUTLER: A proper...

 ZAHN: ... the prosecution of terrorism.

 BUTLER: Yes, yes, a proper intelligence investigation of terrorism. Now,
 you said if, and I affirmed that in responding to you. We have to be
 careful here. These are allegations. They're worth airing and talking
 about, because of their gravity. We don't know if they are correct. But I
 believe they should be investigated, because Central Asian oil, as we were
 discussing yesterday, is potentially so important. And all prior attempts to
 have a pipeline had to be done through Russia. It had to be negotiated with
 Russia.

 Now, if there is to be a pipeline through Afghanistan, obviating the need to
 deal with Russia, it would also cost less than half of what a pipeline
 through Russia would cost. So financially and politically, there's a big
 prize to be had. A pipeline through Afghanistan down to the Pakistan coast
 would bring out that Central Asian oil easier and more cheaply.

 ZAHN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) as you spoke about this yesterday, we almost
 immediately got a call from "The New York Times."

 BUTLER: Right.

 ZAHN: They want you to write an op-ed piece on this over the weekend.

 BUTLER: Right, and which I will do.

 ZAHN: But let's come back to this whole issue of what John O'Neill, this
 FBI agent...

 BUTLER: Right.

 ZAHN: ... apparently told the authors of this book. He is alleging that --
 what -- the U.S. government was trying to protect U.S. oil interests? And at
 the same time, shut off the investigation of terrorism to allow for that to
 happen?

 BUTLER: That's the allegation, that instead of prosecuting properly an
 investigation of terrorism, which has its home in Afghanistan as we now
 know, or one of its main homes, that was shut down or slowed down in order
 to pursue oil interests with the Taliban. The people who we have now bombed
 out of existence, and this not many months ago. The book says that the
 negotiators said to the Taliban, you have a choice. You have a carpet of
 gold, meaning an oil deal, or a carpet of bombs. That's what the book
 alleges.

 ZAHN: Well, I know you're going to be doing your own independent homework on
 this...

 BUTLER: Yes.

 ZAHN: ... to see if you can confirm any of this. Let's move on to the
 whole issue of Iraq. The deputy defense secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, at one
 time was considered one of those voices within the administration...

 BUTLER: Yes.

 ZAHN: ... that was pushing for moving beyond Afghanistan. He seemed to
 back off a little from that yesterday.

 BUTLER: Yes.

 ZAHN: What do you read through the tea leaves here?

 BUTLER: A very interesting report that the administration will focus on
 the Philippines, Yemen, Somalia as places where there are al Qaeda cells.
 But the word Iraq wasn't used by the man who was the chief hawk -- used as
 a, you know, as a future target. So what I interpret from that is this: That
 very likely our allies have been saying to us, this is too hard. This is
 really serious. Be careful. Saddam is essentially contained at the moment.
 Don't start, you know, a bigger problem either in the Arab world or in the
 coalition by going after him. And Wolfowitz, it seems, has probably accepted
 that.

 ZAHN: A quick thought on the Israelis intercepting this latest armed
 shipment? What that means? You've got to do it in about 15 seconds.

 BUTLER: It's extraordinarily serious, because it seems to have been tied
 to Yasser Arafat himself. It needs to be further investigated, but you know,
 Paula, the potentiality that this could once again prove an impediment to
 resume peace negotiations is really quite serious.

 ZAHN: Thank you as usual for covering so much territory. Richard Butler,
 see you same time, same place tomorrow morning.

 BUTLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

 ZAHN: We appreciate your insights.


 ***************
 "Who are we calling terrorists here?  Outsiders can destroy airplanes and
 buildings, but it is only we, the people, who have the power to demolish our
 own ideals."

 --Barbara Kingsolver
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