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hi X. and all,

Thanks for all your work on this!  To clarify - who exactly have you been
talking to and do you have any sense for how representative their views are
(at least for the progressive caucus)?  I realize that you'll know all that
better after Thurs night.

Ideally, I guess I'd like to see the "stronger" resolution introduced as a
communication and have the "weaker" one be introduced by one or (hopefully)
more progressive alders.  If that's not going to happen - and it sounds
unlikely from what you've sent - I think we need to pressure the alders
we've been talking to to introduce the "weaker" one before T'ksgiving.  I
have to say I'm really disappointed that they're hesitant to do anything
before T'ksgiving.  After all, the reality we're addressing is an impending
massive humanitarian crisis.  Jeeeeeeezus.  THEY need a breather????

I don't know anything about resolutions introduced as a communication w/out
any alder sponsors, but it seems to me that doing that with our "weaker",
more likely to pass resolution will flag it as unacceptable to the council.
If I were a middle of the road alder and saw that none of the PD alders had
signed on, I sure as heck wouldn't vote for it.  (But I think it'd be fine
to introduce the "stronger" one like that, if we do still decide to
introduce it.)

So, I guess - with the current info we have - I feel ambivalent about the
"stronger" resolution.  If it will help the "weaker" one pass to introduce
it - by communication or by an alder - then I say we go for it.  But the
people we need to talk to for this analysis are the PD alders who are
balking at the "weaker" one.

I strongly feel that we should have SOMETHING - preferably the "weaker" one
unchanged from where we left it (or at least not substantially changed)
voted on by Nov 20.  I feel the broader MAPC would agree with this -
remember, at the last meeting the 1st vote was unanimous support for us
bringing SOMETHING to the council (with a sense of urgency regarding the
imminent starvation of millions), and the 2nd was in support of the
2-pronged strategy.  If we have more info now that the 2-pronged strategy
won't work, the directive from the 1st vote still stands.

That's my rambling input for now.

-X

&gt; Hi Everyone,
&gt;
&gt; The progressive caucus thought they would be ready to act on something
&gt; AFTER Thanksgiving.  Apparently changing "prayers" to "sympathies" was
very
&gt; divisive last time, so they needed a breather.
&gt;
&gt; I still haven't gotten the in-depth feedback on this--Thursday night I
&gt; should.  X has been appointed to do this for me.
&gt;
&gt; X suggested we intro the whole text as a "communication" (no
&gt; alder's name attached).  That could be done BEFORE Thanksgiving.
&gt;
&gt; My first step though will be to call X, to make sure I am
&gt; acting on her excellent strategy advice.
&gt;
&gt; I'd like the Policy Committee's input on something though.  How far do we
&gt; pursue the two-pronged approach?  What I'm hearing from the progressive
&gt; alders is that they don't want something too "divisive" (presumably to
their
&gt; own caucus?), which means they want to back the weakest thing we've
&gt; presented them with.  If we are going to introduce one final text "as a
&gt; communication" I definitely need the Policy Committee's OK on what that
&gt; final text should be.
&gt;
&gt; OK, I'll get back to you when I know more.
&gt;
&gt; Sorry about all the e-mail.
&gt;
&gt; --X
&gt;
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____________________________________________
X
East Timor Action Network field organizer   ETAN field office
X 						Social Justice Center
office XXX-XXX-XXXX		1202 Williamson St
cell XXX-XXX-XXXX                     Madison, WI 53703
home XXX-XXX-XXXX                          fax 608-227-0141

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lesson that even small people have a voice."
    -East Timorese leader Mari Alkatiri, during the August 30, 2001
Constituent Assembly vote


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