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Friday, February 22, 2002 1:09 PM
New Vote.com votes as of 01:08 PM EST on February 22nd, 2002


Dear September 11th Victim Compensation Fund,

Vote.com is the Internet's most popular voting site.  Millions of people regularly express their opinions and - in just one click - automatically send their views to important decision makers like you.

Here are the latest votes on the question, SHOULD FAMILIES OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO DIED ON 9-11 GET MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL VICTIMS' FUND?:

YES: 18 votes 
NO: 78 votes 

Group Comment
 
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, 
including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.

Under traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars
per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the
restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of all
those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double
blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money went to
those
who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of
marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of having to
prove
that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New York have already 
announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The Department of Justice
should
do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
important 
issues.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Manchester, CT 

 
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Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:34 PM
Help the victims of Sept. 11th tragedy

Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
comments regarding the forthcoming regulations for implementing
and administering the "September 11 Victim Compensation Fund." 
I strongly urge the Department to draft regulations that ensure
compensation is available to all victims of the attack,
including the committed partners and the non-biological children
of gay and lesbian victims.

The devastating grief and economic losses suffered by the families
of gay and lesbian victims areno less than that of other families.  
Just as the terrorists drew no lines in choosing their victims, our 
country must draw no lines in compensating those who suffered the
most personal of losses from these horrific attacks. Please don't let 
the views of hatred prevail. Please help to ensure that we counteract 
terrorism with love by providing assistance to all of those who lost their
loved ones on September 11th.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Bloomington, IL


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Monday, March 11, 2002 6:23 PM
9/11 Funds


I cannot believe that, no matter what someone's
personal beliefs, they could see not giving
gay/lesbian partners and families their share of the
9/11 funds as the right thing to do. By refusing their
right to some of these funds, the American people are
belittling and ignoring the sacrifices made by
AMERICAN CITIZENS that just happened to be gay or
lesbian. The fund is giving money to ILLEGAL ALIENS,
people who have no right to anything else but will get
their share of the 9/11 funds because they lost loved
ones. So how is it wrong to give AMERICAN CITIZENS,who
lost loved ones, their share of the 9/11 funds due to
their sexual preferences. If we are to follow the
laws, then apply them to everyone and refuse to give
aid to ILLEGAL ALIENS families as well as gay/lesbian
families. I thought we were a country that fought
against discrimination, not encouraged it. I am
seriously concerned that our government would not help
its own citizens in the wake of this tragedy.
Individual Comment
 
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December 14, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.  Under
traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
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The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately both the Red Cross and the State of New
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Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
important issues.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
North Bennington, VT

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Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:27 PM
complaint


To whomever is stuck reading the email!

I cannot believe that Mr. Feinberg can find it ethical or morally just,  to assure the public on Meet the Press, that illegal aliens will benefit from the 9-11 fund, but that lesbian and gay Americans cannot benefit from this fund!  So the lives of those Americans, who happen to be lesbian or gay, who died on that day are less important then the others?  So the loved ones of those Americans suffer less?  Deserve less?  And "state law" will determine the level of help they may get?  And this is the America that those lesbians and gay men gave their lives for?  What a sad statement his comments were!  I guess "United We Stand" is only true if you are not gay or lesbian.  

Individual Comment
Bismarck, IL
 
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Monday, March 18, 2002 11:19 PM
private sexuality

Dear  Victim Compensation Fund:

I would like to voice my concern that homosexuals are not to be
compensated by the government after losing a loved one in the events of
9/11. All humans should be treated equal in this situation and homosexuals
given compensation.


Thank You





Individual Comment
Urbana, IL
 
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Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:33 PM
compensate same sex partners


I find it a disgrace that same sex partners might be compensated to a
lesser extent than other citizens.
I urge the Department of Justice and the fund to compensate everyone
equally and not start discriminating.

Regards,

Individual Comment
Housotn Texas


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Friday, January 18, 2002 10:43 PM
(no subject)

The airline bailout act gave the airlines $15 billion
in cash and loan guarantees and capped the airlines'
liability for the September 11 crashes at the limits
of their insurance coverage. Because of this cap, the
damage caused by the crashes greatly exceeds the
private fund available to compensate victims and their
families. Thus for the vast majority of victims and
families, the cap has the effect of eliminating the
right that they would otherwise have to sue
the airlines. 

Congress set up the fund to ensure that the airline
bailout would not come at the expense of the victims'
families. The act mandates full and fair compensation
to victims and their families for their actual
economic and non-economic damages. DOJ has ignored
this mandate and instead has written arbitrary
regulations that will result in compensation levels
far below the losses actual suffered by the victims
and their families. In fact, many families' total
compensation from the fund and all collateral sources
combined will not even fully replace lost income. In
effect, these families will not receive any of the
non-economic compensation required by the statute.
After collateral sources are deducted, as required by
the statute, some families would receive nothing from
the fund under the interim final regulations. 

DOJ's formula allows for non-economic awards at only
one-tenth the level paid incomparable cases, even
though Congress explicitly enumerated a broader range
of non-economic damages than could be recovered in any
single jurisdiction. DOJ's formula for non-economic
damages is $250,000 for the person killed and $50,000
for the spouse and each dependent. In a wide variety
of air crash and terrorism cases, however, judges,
juries, and mediators commonly have provided
non-economic damage awards well into the seven-figure
range. 

Independent economists have found serious flaws in
DOJ's method of calculating economic damages,
including use of outdated and inapplicable work life
and life-cycle earnings data. DOJ greatly
underestimates promotions and other increases in
earnings for victims. It relies on civil service and
military retirement system actuarial data that track
federal worker incomes and pension requirements, not
the higher-paying private sector career paths followed
by the vast majority of the victims. The interim final
regulations also arbitrarily cap a victim's
income at $231,000 a year. Combined with the faulty
methodology described above, the income cap would
result in some families receiving compensation for
less than 25% of their actual economic losses. Under
DOJ's rules, a family's award may be increased above
the "presumptive" award only by a showing of
"extraordinary
circumstances" -- beyond those suffered by other
victims or victims' families. This high burden of
proof makes a charade of the right to a hearing
provided by the statute. DOJ should fulfill the act's
intent by revising the rules to compensate victims and
their families for the types of damages specified by
Congress, at levels comparable to those provided in
the tort system the fund was designed to replace. 

While DOJ has shown flexibility on some aspects of the
rules, it is resisting the victims' and families'
requests for significant changes. If the proposed
regulations are not changed significantly, victims'
widows will have to sell their homes, deplete their
children's college funds, and give up their plans of
being full-time parents while their children are
young. Many families, anticipating little relief from
the fund, will decide to sue the airlines and others,
despite the handicap of the liability limits. We do
not believe these are the outcomes Congress intended. 
Thank you for giving this matter your immediate
attention.   

Individual Comment
Chicago, Il 


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Friday, December 07, 2001 8:54 AM
Victim compensation Fund Comments

Dear Mr. Zwick:
 
I am writing in response to the Department's request for public comments regarding the forthcoming regulations for implementing and administering the "September 11 Victim Compensation Fund."

I strongly urge the Department to draft regulations that ensure compensation is available to all victims of the attack, including the committed partners and the non-biological children of gay and lesbian victims.
 
It is unquestionable that the devastating grief and economic losses suffered by the families of gay and lesbian victims are no less than that of other families.  Just as the terrorists drew no lines in choosing their victims, our country must draw no lines in compensating those who suffered the most personal of losses from these horrific attacks.
 
Many Americans lost their lives on September 11, each of whom left behind loved ones.  I urge the Department to honor these bonds by treating the families of gay and lesbian victims as you would any other.
 
Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Madison County, AL

 
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Sunday, March 17, 2002 11:44 AM
homosexuals not compensated

Gentlemen:

What happened to the Fourteenth Amendment?

What happened to human decency?

Individual Comment

 
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Friday, December 07, 2001 12:26 PM


Attachment 1:

Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
comments regarding the forthcoming regulations for implementingand administering 
the "September 11 Victim Compensation Fund."I strongly urge the 
Department to draft regulations that ensurecompensation is available to all 
victims of the attack,including the committed partners and the non-biological 
childrenof gay and lesbian victims.

It is unquestionable that the devastating grief and economiclosses suffered by the families of gay and lesbian victims areno less than that of other families.  Just as the
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suffered the most personal oflosses from these horrific attacks.Many Americans 
lost their lives on September 11, each of whom left behind loved ones.  

I urge the Department to honor these bonds by treating the families of gay and lesbian 
victims as youwould any other.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment



 
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September 11th, 
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do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very important 
issues.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Foster City, CA

 
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December 19, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
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traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
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Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
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Sincerely,
Individual Comment     

Boulder, CO 

 
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Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:20 PM
Victims Compensation Fund

Dear Madam/Sir:

I am requesting that all of the victims of the attack on 9/11 be compensated
equally, without regards to theier income and sexual orentation. What I
don't wish to see is the wealthiest of victims families recieve more than
say the families of those less well off, and worse yet the domestic partners
of gay/lesbian victims recieve no compensation at all. This would be an
increidible injustice for not just the families of the victims but for the
nation as a whole. The message that it would send is that the wealthier you
are, the more valuable you are as a human being. This is totally
unacceptable.

Regards

Individual Comment



 
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Friday, Tuesday, January 02, 2002 1:05 AM
Equal Access to Crisis Relief Benefits for Surviving Gay and
Lesbian Partners




January   02, 2002

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian and gay people were killed in the September 11th attacks.
Since then, lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had
mixed results in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the
distribution of relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive
policy on the part of the federal government would help establish an
important principle for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real
justice will be served only when all families - and all types of families -
impacted by the human rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with
dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,


Individual Comment

Purchase, NY





 
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.  Under
traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of
all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money
went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The
Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
important issues.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Bayside, CA

 
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Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:59 PM
Equal Access to Money


December  29, 2001

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian and gay people were killed in the September 11th attacks.
Since then, lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had
mixed results in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the
distribution of relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive
policy on the part of the federal government would help establish an
important principle for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real
justice will be served only when all families - and all types of families -
impacted by the human rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with
dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Redding, CA 




 
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Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:05 PM
9/11 fund discriminates against gays

Kenneth L. Zwick, Director
Office of Management Programs
Civil Division
U.S. Department of Justice
Main Building, Room 3140
950 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20530

FOR THE MEMORY OF:

And so many more...

Dear Mr. Zwick,

Don't let the deaths countless lesbian and gay heros on September 11 
be in vain.  Partners of these heroic  individuals deserve just as 
much consideration as those of married couples.  I am outraged as a 
gay citizen that we continue to be so marginalized by our society to 
whom we contribute so much but from which we receive so little 
recognition.

Thanks so much for considering these fogotten heroes.

Sincerely,


Individual Comment

 
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Monday, January 21, 2002 12:57 PM
Victims Compensation Fund

I am the surviving spouse of a TWC victim,                   .  She worked on the                    floor of WTC Tower 2 for the                   .

The victims compensation fund as proposed in the interim final regulations is an insult to her memory and an invitation for many surviving families to sue, rather than to accept the crumbs being offered.

The idea, seemingly created unilaterally by Mr. Feinberg, that each life is worth only $250,000  is absurd.  Given the awards granted in litigation with respect to non-economic loss, quite often in the millions of dollars, it is an insult to us and the victims to offer such a pittance.

I appreciate the fact that Congress provided for collateral offsets, but they should apply, if at all, to economic losses, not grief, suffering, loss of companionship, etc.  There are no monetary offsets to ease that pain.  

The regulations indicate that the award would not be subject to income tax, but do not address estate tax issues.  Is the award payable to the estate, and therefore subject to immediate estate taxes, or is it payable to the families ?

In calculating the collateral offset amounts, many of us have offsets that are not easy to quantify.  I will receive 50 % of my wife's salary, indexed for inflation, until the earlier of my remarrying, or my death.  How do I, or you, calculate the amount of the offset ?  Without knowing how to make the calculation, how are we expected to make an informed decision ?  Even if we assume that I will not remarry, do I include the payments for my full actuarial life expectancy, or only for the time period for which you gave credit for her anticipated earnings ?

Those families that will receive nothing, such as most uniformed service situations, and those where earnings were greater than $231,000 are virtually being invited to litigate rather than participate in the fund.  It seems illogical that Congress intended that to be the result.  There is no dollar cap in the Act itself, and accordingly there seems to be no basis in law for its arbitrary imposition.  Allowing an appeal for unusual circumstances is not the same as removing this unilateral  restriction.   

I look forward to the promulgation of final rules and regulations that will address these and other issues, such as the use of inappropriate tables.

Individual Comment
New York, NY 


 
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