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Friday, December 21, 2001 6:40 AM
Justice help all terrorist victims


Dear Mr. Zwick:

The very humane Fund for relatives of victims of the September 11
terrorist attacks must include all relatives of all the victims.

This importantly should include the partners and children of same sex
unions.  They suffer just as grievously for their deceased loved ones
as do other survivors, and their need for assistance is just as great.

Please do not give in to the importuning of callous homophobic groups
and individuals who would have the Department of Justice limit
compensation to survivors of heterosexual unions.  They are interested
in a political victory, not humane assistance.

This Fund is intended for humane purposes; it is not a political
statement, Mr. Zwick.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Tampa, Florida

 
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Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:25 PM
Interim Final Rules

While I am not in a position to question the interpretation of the legal 
issues involved in the classification of certain items as collateral sources, 
I find it quite difficult to place a number on their magnitude. If for 
example, New York State Workmans Compensation and Social Security Survivor 
payments are to be deemed collateral sources, it appears virtually impossible 
to determine the amount of the offset. What life expentancy tables will be 
used?...IRS publication 939 values?...single life annuity tables?..something 
else. Even establishing the appropriate annuity factor, it brings into 
question why life expentency is a valid criteria. If for example the 
surviving spouse remarries, she would lose her benefit. The same situation is 
relevant for benefits received under Workmans Comp, as the surviving spouse , 
upon remarriage, would receive a lump sum of $50, 000 and no further 
benefits. Many similar difficulties are not addressed in the regs. For 
example, life insurance proceeds paid to a single individuals sibling would 
not be a collateral source if the deceased died intestate in NY because that 
sibling would not receive anything under the intestacy laws of NY. This 
presents the classic case of form over substance working at variance with the 
stated guidelines of the regulations to provide fairness and consistency. 
There is also the issue of the Workmans Compensation carrier attempting to 
recover a portion of  payments made as well as future payments. In the case 
of NY, this could be as much as 2/3 of said present and future payments. 
Unless these and  a myriad of other similar issues are clarified, the tables 
are rendered useless in approximating a potential award.    

Submitted by: 
Father of deceased

Individual Comment
 
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Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:59 AM
Please ensure equal treatment of gay &amp; lesbian surviving
partners


December  20, 2001

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian and gay people were killed in the September 11th attacks.
Since then, lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had
mixed results in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the
distribution of relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive
policy on the part of the federal government would help establish an
important principle for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real
justice will be served only when all families - and all types of families -
impacted by the human rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with
dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Piedmont, CA


 
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Monday, December 24, 2001 12:27 PM
compensation for all 9/11 families



December 20, 2001

Kenneth L. Zwick, Director
Office of Management Programs, Civil Division
U.S. Department of Justice

via email: victimcomp.comments@usdoj.gov

re: September 11 Victim Compensation Fund

Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
comments regarding the forthcoming regulations for implementing
and administering the "September 11 Victim Compensation Fund." 

I strongly urge the Department to draft regulations that ensure
compensation is available to all surviving families of those killed in the 
attack, including the committed partners and the non-biological children of 
gay and lesbian victims.

It is unquestionable that the devastating grief and economic
losses suffered by the families of gay and lesbian victims are
no less than that of other families.  Just as the terrorists
drew no lines in choosing their victims, our country must draw
no lines in compensating those who suffered the most personal 
losses from these horrific attacks.

Many Americans lost their lives on September 11, each of whom
left behind loved ones. I urge the Department to honor these
bonds by treating the families of gay and lesbian victims as you
would any other.

Sincerely,


Individual Comment
New York, NY 
 
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Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:56 PM
Compensation for Gay &amp; Lesbian Partners of 9/11 Victims



Gay &amp; Lesbian partners of the victims of 9/11 should be compensated
equally-- they are the living symbols of love lost.
Why should they be treated any differently than a wife, husband, child,
fetus or fiancé?

Sincerely,
Individual Comment 
Rego Park, NY 


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December 14, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.  Under
traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of
all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money
went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The
Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
important issues.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Dallas, TX 

 
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Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:13 PM
Support Equal Access to Crisis Relief Benefits for Surviving
Gay and Lesbian Partners!


December  19, 2001

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian and gay people were killed in the September 11th attacks.
Since then, lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had
mixed results in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the
distribution of relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive
policy on the part of the federal government would help establish an
important principle for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real
justice will be served only when all families - and all types of families -
impacted by the human rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with
dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Stevens Point, WI




 
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Monday, January 28, 2002 9:44 AM
Comment on 9/11 Compensation Guidelines



As a taxpayer, mother, wife of an active police patrol officer, a daughter, 
and a former bodily injury claims insurance adjuster, I believe  the current 
plan for Victim's compensation is  overly reasonable.  



From the standpoint of litigation against the airlines,  this is reasonable 
compensation for the loss of immediate family members, and the US Government 
goes further to compensate for loss of adult children. This is more than can 
be hoped for in some accidental loss cases.  



However, this was no accident.  This was an act of war.  The civilians, 
firefighters, police officers, and others lost in this tragedy were 
casualties of war.  What compensation have we given to casualties of war 
during WWI, WWII, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War? 



My husband quietly leaves our home at 6 a.m. on a work day. He is a police 
patrol officer.  He protects the public. There is always the possiblity that 
he may not come home.  I cannot be sure he will come home, but I am certain 
that if he should die we have insurance and plans in place to care for our 
two children.  This will not bring him back, but it will ease the financial 
burden if he should be taken from us. Thinking about and planning for 
possible accidental death will allow us to grieve properly should an 
accidental death occur.



What value do you put on life or limb? No amount of money can bring a human 
being back.  No litigious effort can be guarranteed a certain amount.  
Victim's families can choose to forgo the generous gift the American public 
is giving them through this fund.  They can try there luck in litigation if 
they must.  They will not be guarranteed any compensation  in litigation. 
Will jurors be sympathetic to their needs in court? It seems to me that they 
now have a 50/50 chance at that.  The American public is now aware of their 
complaints, and some people think the Victim's families are being greedy.  
Again, litigation and compensation will not bring a loved one back. 

 

Where are all the counselors and therapists?  The victims need help 
processing their grief, and money will not do it.



As a taxpayer, wife, mother, daughter, and wife of a police officer,  I 
believe the current compensation is more than fair.  Please do not change a 
thing. If it is not enough for some Victim's families, let them have their 
day in court.  They are not guarranteed an award until a verdict has been 
reached by a jury or judge.  Do they really want to take their chances with a 
public that is currently turning angry versus sympathetic?



Sincerely,



Individual Comment
Annandale, VA
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Saturday, March 16, 2002 4:02 PM
Discrimination is wrong

hello,

I am dismayed to hear that the families of lesbian or gay victims of the Sept 
11 calamity are going to be treated differently -- and in fact, as in 
ordinary day-to-day life, are going to be treated as unimportant and "less 
than".  An extraordinary amount of money was given by generous Americans, to 
be distributed to the families of victims. This is no time for 
government-sponsored homohobia to determine how much a grieving family member 
has to watch go to other "real" families.  I think this is disgraceful, and 
truthfully I don't know any of you can sleep at night, if you are part of 
this injustice.  It is time to redefine 'family', to include, not just 
fetuses and illegal aliens as well as conventionally married people, but 
people whose strong bonds of love and commitment DEFINED them as "real" 
families, regardless of the legalities.  

Individual Comment
York, PA 



 
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Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:23 PM
September 11 Victim Compensation Fund

Dear Mr. Zwick;
    I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
comments regarding the forthcoming regulations for implementing and the
administering "September 11 Victim Compensation Fund."  I strongly urge
the Department to draft regulations that ensure compensation is
available to all victims of the attack, including the committed partners
and the non-biological children of gay and lesbian victims.

    It is unquestionable that the devastating grief and economic losses
suffered by the families of gay and lesbian victims are no less than
that of other families.  Just as the terrorists drew no lines in
choosing their victims, our country must draw no lines in compensating
those who suffered the most personal of losses from these horrific
attacks.

    Many Americans lost their lives on September 11, each of whom left
behind loved ones.  I urge the Department to honor these bonds by
treating the families of gay and lesbian victims as you would any other.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Sitka, AK

 
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Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:54 PM
final rule comments

I have read the changes to the funds rules, but they still do not help my
family.
If congress decides to take away all collateral source deductions, then
maybe ALL the families would accept the fund payouts.
As it stands now, my family still recieves "zero" from the fund.
I would rather use the fund but it appears that the rules will not let me.
I feel that this is still unfair my family because we had life insurance &amp;
it will probably drive my family to sue.
What am I supposed to do; receive nothing because my father planned for his
family? No Thanks-I'll take my chances in court!

Individual Comment

Yonkers, NY

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Saturday, March 16, 2002 5:25 PM
Fwd: THE LIST: ALERT-Protest 9/11 Fund Exclusion of Gays (fwd)

Dear Director Zwick:
Please say publicly to us all that this isn't true and that your US 
Government Agency, of ALL the people, by ALL the people, and for ALL the 
people is looking after the best interests of ALL of the victims of this 
terrible tragedy.
Thank you,

Individual Comment
Prior Lake, MN
 
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Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:03 PM

Dear 9-11 Victim Compensation,

September 11th was a day on which America got a wake up call. On that day, America realized that its citizens were not made of Mexican-Americans, Italian-Americans, Asian-Americans, African-Americans, or any other type of hyphenated-Americans. Instead, American realized that alll its citizens were just plain Americans. It deeply outrages me how the families and partners of gay and lesbian heroes that died on September 11th will not necessarily receive the same benefits as the families and spouses of heterosexual victims of the terrorist attacks of that day. In a land that believes that all men are created equal, an idea that our country has gone to war over and over, it makes me ashamed that the Victim Compensation Fund will not cover the partners of the gay and lesbian heroes even though FETUSES AND ILLEGAL ALIENS are covered. In fact, it is willing to overlook federal law and not arrest or deport the families of illegal aliens. How, then, does it make sense to exclude the families of gay and lesbian heroes? Please take the time to reconsider this um-American exclusion. 

Sincerely,

Individual Comment

 
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Saturday, December 22, 2001 8:18 AM
gay families

To: Kenneth L. Zwick
Director
Office of Management Programs
Civil Division
US Department of Justice

Dear Mr. Zwick,

I am writing about compensation for nontraditional families by the Victim
Compensation Fund.  I am in a stable, substitute-family gay relationship
with my partner of 18 years.  We own a house jointly, share a car, vote,
belong to a church, and take in wandering teenagers from both sides of the
family as needed, teaching them life skills and humane values.  There is no
question in my mind that we are a stabilizing influence on society  and
engaged citizens of America.  When the thought occurred to me that,
ironically, because we are denied any kind of legal recognition by the
state, that we would also be denied benefits had either one of us been a
9/11 victim, I am forced to remember how much I rely on good luck rather
than thoughtful contemporary policy for the stability in my own life.
Please consider a more up-to-date definition of the relationships that hold
us together in your decision on victim compensation.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment 
Boston, MA 


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Friday, December 21, 2001 7:28 AM
Help all victims of terrorist attack


Dear Mr. Zwick:

The very humane Fund for relatives of victims of the September 11
terrorist attacks must include all relatives of all the victims.

This importantly should include the partners and children of same sex
unions.  They suffer just as grievously for their deceased loved ones as
do other survivors, and their need for assistance is just as great.

Please do not give in to the importuning of callous homophobic groups and
individuals who would have the Department of Justice limit compensation
to survivors of heterosexual unions.  They are interested in a political
victory, not humane assistance.

This Fund is intended for humane purposes; it is not a political
statement, Mr. Zwick.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Pensacola, FL  

 
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Friday, March 15, 2002 2:13 PM
comments

John Ashcroft lost an election to a dead man.  He and his ideals - if you
could call them that - are from a portion of the United States that is
about as foreign to the Northeast as is Pakistan.  His treatment of same
sex unions under the VCF is truly sad.  I am sure he means well - but his
ignorance is hurting devestated families all over again.  Perhaps even
worse - he is an embarrassment to himself and to America at a time when we
are in dire need of compassion and unity within our borders.  Who does he
think he represents?  Think about it: The President was elected by a
mysterious minority and appointed an Attorney General that couldn't beat a
dead man in his own part of the country.  What makes these two knuckleheads
think they know what they are talking about?  Why can't we call a spade a
spade?  Ashcroft is a primitive man who is good at locking Al Qaedeans up
on islands, and bad at taking care of Americans...what a shame, shame,
shame!

God Bless the victims and their loved ones.  We shall previal.
Individual Comment
 
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Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:20 PM
comments

To all of those individuals who feel the need to flood this very important
website with your ludicrous comments about gays involved in the
tragedy......get a job!!   This is why you people don't ever get respect.
One comment would have been fine.  But to flood this site with hundreds,
just shows how really stupid you really are.  Don't use this forum to spew
your rhetoric NOBODY CARES!!!!

Individual Comment


 
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Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:21 AM
9/11 compensation for gays

Hello -
I just became aware that gay/lesbian victims of 9/11 are not receiving the same benefits as their heterosexual counterparts, including those who are illegal aliens in this country.  perhaps i have been misinformed, but if not i definately wanted to respond to this.  i hope that this situation will be re-evaluated.  I just read some of the bio's of the gay/lesbian victims.  Some of these profile individuals who have made exceptional contributions to our country.  I don't know how unmarried heterosexual survivors are being handled, but please keep in mind that in most states homosexual partners are unmarried not by choice, but because they aren't given the opportunity to marry under state law.  Some of these partnerships have lasted longer than most marriages I know, and certainly more than alot of the marriaged that are being recognized by the survivor benefits.  I hope that all in volved will open their hearts and minds to reconsider this situation and allow room for more fair treatment of these homosexual victims and their survivors.
thank you for your consideration.

Individual Comment
Salem, NJ
 
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Monday, January 07, 2002 7:40 AM
Compensation

To Whom it may concern;
 I am truly sorry for the loss these families have suffered.  I pray
every night for there comfort, but it really upsets me 
that they for some reason feel that the US government owes them something.
The Us government did not destroy the World Trade Towers.  The American
public gave and gave generously to support the victims families.  Now the US
Government has set up a relief fund and they have the gull to complain that
they are not getting enough.  We are told that this war on terrorism has
just begun, what will future victims family member expect for us.  9/11 was
a true tragedy, lets not make it a bigger one by allowing the US Government
to be held hostage by greed.  These people should be thankful for the
generosity displayed by the American public and the US Government and except
the helping hand instead of biting it.  Each and every person that lost
their life in the World Trade Tower had the responsibility to provide for
their family, in the event of their death,  they could have been killed just
as easy commuting to work.  Would the government still be expected to
compensated their families?  Please don't get the idea that I am against the
Government helping these people, I am just outraged at the attitude these
ingrates are displaying.  The Government should set the rules for this
relief fund and if they don't like it they don't have to except it.  Let
them sue the people responsible, like Bin Laden and Al-Qaida?

Individual Comment



 
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December 14, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September 11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.  Under traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of
all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the 
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very important issues.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Jefferson, NH
 
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