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Below find a marvelous piece, especially for anyone feeling a little
beseiged by the swell on mile-long, inch-deep patriotism flooding the
land. BTW, for those of you who haeven't done so, please send me an
e-mail to alruff@execpc.com so that I can switch you address over to my
NEW e-mail location.
-X
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 00:56:00 -0600
>
> > San Francisco Gate - Oct 19, 2001
> >
> >
>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2001/10/19/not
e
> > s101901.DTL&type=printable>
> >
> > Evil Evildoers Of Evil
> >
> > How to feel calmly patriotic and yet not the slightest bit reassured by
>Bush
> > & Co.
> >
> > By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
> >
> > This much is true: It really is possible to love your country and
> > value your freedoms and still believe the government is full of fools
> > and prevaricators and BS artists and Dick Cheney. Really.
> >
> > It is still possible to feel warmly patriotic in personal and
> > important ways and yet believe the military and the generals and the
> > war machine do not have your best interests at heart and really
> > couldn't care less what those interests are anyway but thank you for
> > sharing now please sit down and do as we tell you and by the way,
> > thanks for all the flags and the money.
> >
> > And it is still possible to feel unified and spiritually connected to
> > all that is good and righteous about your generally nonviolent
> > Americanism -- you know, wine and sex and good music, large dogs and
> > literature and clean water and tongue kissing in the streets -- and
> > still be depressed when our famously nonintellectual president talks
> > to the country like we're all five years old and heavily dosed on
> > Ritalin.
> >
> > When Bush employs phrases like "bring the evildoers to justice" over
> > and over, 17 times in one speech alone, and he furrows his brow like
> > a serious Muppet and offers carefully scripted reassurances
> > deliberately lacking in polysyllabism and detailed explanation
> > because that would be, you know, complicated. When he repeats
> > primitive little maxims like "There are no negotiations" and responds
> > to press-conference questions about the vitriolic anti-US hatred that
> > has blossomed around the globe by saying, "I'm amazed. I just can't
> > believe it because I know how good we are," thus causing a giant
> > global spasm of multinational cringing and openly insulting the
> > intelligence of anyone who can walk and breathe at the same time.
> >
> > When he delivers very earnest speeches he had no part in writing,
> > and when he is forced to speak extemporaneously, sans script or
> > TelePrompTer, and is reduced to simplistic good-guy/bad-guy
> > platitudes and flustered, rapid blinking, and who cannot for the life
> > of him articulate a complex idea, some sort of nuanced elucidation of
> > our nation's motives and positioning, that contains more than one
> > possible level of meaning. But perhaps that's too harsh. Unfair.
> > He's the president, after all. He is a Good Man. He's our leader
> > right now, he's doing his best and he's all we've got. This is our
> > rallying cry, our motto: He's all we've got. There's your bumper
> > sticker. And there he is.
> >
> > Except for Cheney, which isn't exactly reassuring. No one has ever
> > seen this man's mouth actually move. No one can take one look at his
> > oddly spiritless and wan figure and not think, oh dear God, that man
> > is running on fumes. From a bunker. With ropes and pulleys. But
> > you're not supposed to. In fact, you really aren't allowed to
> > criticize the president or the veep right now, not supposed to feel
> > strangely leaderless and adrift, not permitted to look upon the
> > events of the past weeks with much wariness or bitterness or a
> > disquieting sense that we're setting things in motion that have no
> > predictable outcome -- ugly, subterranean, hateful things that could
> > last years and will surely cost billions and will deeply entrench the
> > nation in a bizarre and poisonous shell game with shadowy opponents
> > of largely unknown capability and do you hear that? That soft
> > roaring?
> >
> > That's the sound of the GOP-stroked military machine, quietly
> > cheering. Never mind the staggering multibillion-dollar political
> > mess in Saudi Arabia that fueled bin Laden's network for years, or
> > the enormous oil fields that are desperately vulnerable to terrorist
> > attack at any moment. Never mind the US government's outright
> > rejection of new advancements in alternative fuels to get us away
> > from oil and out of the Gulf entirely. Instead we get: Evildoers. Air
> > strikes. Hundreds of dead civilians. Rumsfeld denials. And Bush,
> > squinting, saying things only small children and GasMaskExpress.com
> > shoppers find comforting and manly. It is, Bush tells us, a war on
> > terrorism. We will eradicate terrorism through largely violent and
> > aggressive means, because that is what we must do and what we always
> > do and everything else takes too damn long. We have to do something.
> >
> > This is the common wisdom. Bush said so. Mr. Rumsfeld told him so,
> > with his black and shiny hawk eyes all a-glimmer. Disagree? You
> > traitorous whiner. This war, it will be just like the War on Drugs.
> > It will be potent and effective and our objectives will be clear. The
> > nation had a nasty drug problem and we declared a war on drugs and
> > spent billions over many years and now you can't buy drugs anymore.
> > It will be just like that.
> >
> > There is more than one way to respond to the horror of Sept. 11. And
> > there is more than one kind of patriotism. We forget this. You do not
> > have to rally around Bush and tolerate Cheney's chthonic creepiness
> > and wave a frantic flag and believe every scripted half-truth that
> > drizzles out of the Pentagon, applaud the nonstop attacks on an
> > already demolished nation. Pro-America does not mean pro-war. Or
> > pro-Bush. Or anti- Afghanistan. Or pro-little-flags-on-SUV-antennas.
> > It means thinking independently and getting better informed and
> > filtering your news very carefully and realizing that just because
> > one version of the American aggro attitude is currently being
> > ramrodded down society's throat doesn't mean you have to swallow.
> >
> > It means you don't have to find Tomahawk missiles really cool or
> > think all those tens of thousands of Europeans and Egyptians and
> > world citizens protesting the US bombings must be commie jerks, or
> > feel sad and morally depleted when you can't seem to draw any
> > intellectual nourishment whatsoever when Bush declaims, "Terrorists
> > want us to stop our lives, stop our flying, stop our buying. But this
> > nation will not be intimidated by evildoers." You don't have to buy
> > into that infantile hokum for a moment. After all, this is America.
> >
> >
> > [Mark Morford's Notes & Errata column appears every Wednesday and
> > Friday on SF Gate, unless it appears on Tuesday or Thursday, which it
> > almost never does. He also writes the Morning Fix, a deeply skewed
> > and very funny daily email newsletter.]
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[MAPC-discuss] Fwd: this is so well written (fwd)
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A rare Chicago appearance of Tahmeena Faryal, a representative of
RAWA-the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan-will take
place on Friday, Nov. 9, 6 p.m. at Hot House 31 E. Balbo (between Wabash
and State St.). The meeting is entitled: "The Other America Welcomes the
Other Afghanistan: An Evening of International Solidarity with RAWA-the
Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan."
The meeting is sponsored by News and Letters Committees(list of
cosponsors is still in formation).
For more information call: 312-236-0799; email: nandl@igc.org
Can we oppose both the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 and the U.S.
government's war on Afghanistan by turning a different vision of the
future into a reality-a future of freedom, human dignity, cooperation, and
genuine safety? Who are our allies in helping to realize this vision?
Come listen to and speak with TAHMEENA FARYAL, representative of
RAWA, the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan.
RAWA is an independent, all-volunteer, non-violent organization
that calls for multilateral disarmament and the establishment of a secular
democracy in Afghanistan, where women may once again participate fully in
public life. Since 1977, the women of RAWA have stood up to all native and
foreigner oppressors with courage and principle. They opposed the Russian
occupation of Afghanistan and today they oppose all Islamic fundamentalist
forces, including both the Taliban and those in the Northern Alliance.
On Sept. 14, RAWA condemned the Sept. 11 attacks as a barbaric act
of violence and terror; opposed a U.S. military attack that would kill
thousands of innocent Afghans for the crimes committed by the Taliban and
Osama bin Laden; and expressed its "sincere hope that the great American
people can differentiate between the people of Afghanistan and a handful of
fundamentalist terrorists."
While the Taliban have outlawed education for women beyond the
second grade, and deny them the few social services that exist in
Afghanistan, RAWA secretly-and under the threat of death-provides schooling
for girls and boys, as well as medical care and adult education for women.
In neighboring Pakistan, it provides Afghan refugees with aid, runs
orphanages, and sponsors income-generating projects.
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[MAPC-discuss] Friday, in Chicago - RAWA
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Sit down. Take a few deep breaths and relax. Close your eyes
and ask yourself... when is it right to take another person's
life? What did you discover when you listened to that quiet
voice within you? Perhaps vigilantism is as abhorent as the
acts that catalyzed it. Perhaps violence is not a good answer?
>--- Original Message ---
>From: X <X>
>To: madpeace-discuss@madpeace.org
>Date: 11/5/01 5:10:49 PM
>
>...tries to get Bin Ladin dead or alive, killing many more innocents
in the
>process. Is such vigilantism better than nothing? Perhaps.
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RE: [MAPC-discuss] WorldFederalistAssociation(WFA)
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Over the weekend, when reporting that the U.S. bombing raids were
intensifying support for the Taliban within Afghanistan, CNN repeatedly
commented that the Afghan people were not sophisticated enough to blame
their own government for the U.S. attacks.
Talk about perversion. More below....
X
----- Original Message -----
From: "X
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:@hera.webcom.com;;;;>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:49 PM
Subject: !*CNN: Focus on Civilian Casualties Would Be "Perverse" + More
> FORWARDED MESSAGES
> ====================
> From: "X
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 1:36 PM
>
> ACTION ALERT:
> CNN Says Focus on Civilian Casualties Would Be "Perverse"
>
> November 1, 2001
>
> According to the Washington Post (10/31/01), CNN Chair Walter Isaacson
"has
> ordered his staff to balance images of civilian devastation in Afghan
> cities
> with reminders that the Taliban harbors murderous terrorists, saying it
> 'seems perverse to focus too much on the casualties or hardship in
> Afghanistan.'"
>
> Post media reporter Howard Kurtz quotes a memo from Isaacson to CNN's
> international correspondents: "As we get good reports from
> Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, we must redouble our efforts to make sure
> we
> do not seem to be simply reporting from their vantage or perspective. We
> must talk about how the Taliban are using civilian shields and how the
> Taliban have harbored the terrorists responsible for killing close to
5,000
> innocent people."
>
> The memo went on to admonish reporters covering civilian deaths not to
> "forget it is that country's leaders who are responsible for the
situation
> Afghanistan is now in," suggesting that journalists should lay
> responsibility for civilian casualties at the Taliban's door, not the
U.S.
> military's.
>
> Kurtz also quotes a follow-up memo from Rick Davis, CNN's head of
standards
> and practices, that suggested sample language for news anchors:
>
> " 'We must keep in mind, after seeing reports like this from
> Taliban-controlled areas, that these U.S. military actions are in
response
> to a terrorist attack that killed close to 5,000 innocent people in the
> U.S.' or, 'We must keep in mind, after seeing reports like this, that the
> Taliban regime in Afghanistan continues to harbor terrorists who have
> praised the September 11 attacks that killed close to 5,000 innocent
people
> in the U.S.,' or 'The Pentagon has repeatedly stressed that it is trying
to
> minimize civilian casualties in Afghanistan, even as the Taliban regime
> continues to harbor terrorists who are connected to the September 11
> attacks
> that claimed thousands of innocent lives in the U.S.' "
>
> Davis stated that "even though it may start sounding rote, it is
important
> that we make this point each time."
>
> The New York Times reported (11/1/01) that these policies are already
being
> implemented at CNN, with other networks following a similar, though
perhaps
> not as formalized, strategy. "In the United States," the Times noted,
> "television images of Afghan bombing victims are fleeting, cushioned
> between
> anchors or American officials explaining that such sights are only one
side
> of the story." In other countries, however, "images of wounded Afghan
> children curled in hospital beds or women rocking in despair over a
baby's
> corpse" are "more frequent and lingering."
>
> When CNN correspondent Nic Robertson reported yesterday from the site of
a
> bombed medical facility in Kandahar, the Times reported, U.S. anchors
> "added
> disclaimers aimed at reassuring American viewers that the network was not
> siding with the enemy." CNN International, however, did not add any such
> disclaimers.
>
> During its U.S broadcasts, CNN "quickly switched to the rubble of the
World
> Trade Center" after showing images of the damage in Kandahar, and the
> anchor
> "reminded viewers of the deaths of as many as 5,000 people whose 'biggest
> crime was going to work and getting there on time.'"
>
> If anything in this story is "perverse," it's that one of the world's
most
> powerful news outlets has instructed its journalists not to report Afghan
> civilian casualties without attempting to justify those deaths. "I want
to
> make sure we're not used as a propaganda platform," Isaacson told the
> Washington Post. But his memo essentially mandates that pro-U.S.
propaganda
> be included in the news.
>
> ACTION: Please tell CNN to factually report the consequences of the U.S.
> war
> in Afghanistan without editorializing. Including a justification for the
> bombing with every mention of civilian casualties risks turning CNN from
a
> news outlet into a propaganda service.
>
> CONTACT:
> CNN, Walter Isaacson, Chairman and CEO
> Phone: (404) 827-1500
> Fax: (404) 827-1784
> mailto:community@cnn.com
>
> As always, please remember that your comments are taken more seriously if
> you maintain a polite tone. Please cc fair@fair.org with your
> correspondence.
>
> For further details, see Howard Kurtz's full Washington Post story:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14435-2001Oct30.html
>
> ----------
>
> ACTION ALERT:
> Op-Ed Echo Chamber:
> Little space for dissent to the military line
>
> November 2, 2001
>
> During the weeks following September's terrorist attacks, two leading
> dailies used their op-ed pages as an echo chamber for the government's
> official policy of military response, mostly ignoring dissenters and
policy
> critics.
>
> A FAIR survey of the New York Times and the Washington Post op-ed pages
for
> the three weeks following the attacks (9/12/01 - 10/2/01) found that
columns
> calling for or assuming a military response to the attacks were given a
> great deal of space, while opinions urging diplomatic and international
law
> approaches as an alternative to military action were nearly non-existent.
>
> We counted a total of 44 columns in the Times and Post that clearly
stressed
> a military response, against only two columns stressing non-military
> solutions. (Though virtually every op-ed in both papers dealt in some way
> with September 11, most did not deal specifically with how to respond to
the
> attacks, with many focusing on economics, rebuilding, New York's Rudolph
> Giuliani, etc. During the period surveyed, the Post ran a total of 105
op-ed
> columns, the Times ran 79.)
>
> Overall, the Post was more militaristic, running at least 32 columns
> favoring military action, compared to 12 in the Times. But the Post also
> provided the only two columns we could find in the first three weeks after
> September 11 that argued for non-military responses; the Times had no such
> columns. Both dissenting columns were written by guest writers.
>
> The Times' and Post's in-house columnists provided the bulk of the pro-war
> commentary. Two-thirds of the Times columns urging military action were
> written in-house, as were more than half of the Post's pro-war columns.
This
> may say something about which journalists are singled out for promotion to
> the prestigious position of columnist.
>
> In addition, both op-ed pages showed a striking gender imbalance. Of the
107
> op-ed writers at the Post, only seven were women. Proportionally, the
Times
> did slightly better, with eight female writers out of 79.
>
> When critics argue that U.S. news media have a duty to provide a broad
> debate on war, a common response is to ask why-- after all, isn't there a
> political and popular consensus in favor of war?
>
> Perhaps, but there's reason to believe that the extent and nature of that
> consensus has been overstated and distorted.
>
> In polls that offered a choice between a military response or nothing,
it's
> true that overwhelming majorities chose war. But given the choice between
a
> either military assault or pressing for the extradition and trial of those
> responsible (Christian Science Monitor, 9/27/01), a substantial minority
> either chose extradition (30 percent) or were undecided (16 percent).
These
> people had next to no representation in the op-ed debate; in fact, it's
> likely that many people asked to choose whether or not to go to war had
> never seen an alternative to war articulated in a mainstream outlet.
>
> There is also a little-acknowledged gender gap in poll responses about
> military action, a fact that lends new significance to the gender
imbalance
> in Washington Post and New York Times op-eds. In the final two paragraphs
of
> a 1,395-word story titled "Public Unyielding in War Against Terror "
> (9/29/01), the Washington Post pointed out that women "were significantly
> less likely to support a long and costly war." According to the Post,
while
> 44 percent of women would support a broad military effort, "48 percent
said
> they want a limited strike or no military action at all."
>
> Similarly, a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll (Gallup.com, 10/5/01) showed that
64
> percent of men think the U.S. "should mount a long-term war," while 24
> percent favored limiting retaliation to punishing the specific groups
> responsible for the attacks. In contrast, "women are evenly divided-- with
> 42 percent favoring each option." Noting that "women's support for war is
> much more conditional than that of men," Gallup reports that though 88
> percent of women favored taking retaliatory military action, that number
> dropped to 55 percent if 1,000 American troops would be killed (76 percent
> of men would support a war under these circumstances).
>
> Of course, gender equity on the op-ed pages would not guarantee
proportional
> representation for dissenters-- some of the most virulently pro-war and
> anti-Muslim columns have been written by female commentators (e.g., Mona
> Charen, who called for mass expulsions based on ethnicity--Washington
Times,
> 10/18/01). But given the gender differences suggested by polling, more
women
> on the op-ed pages might well give the lie to the conventional wisdom that
> all Americans have no-holds-barred enthusiasm for an open-ended war.
>
> Even, however, if one accepts the idea that the public overwhelmingly
favors
> war, the task of journalism is to remain independent and to ask tough
> questions of policy makers. After all, American history includes many
> official policies that were popular in their time, but which today are
> viewed as disasters. Wouldn't the country have been better off if
> journalists had provided a stronger, more abiding challenge to the
consensus
> that supported Vietnam, or the internment of Japanese-Americans?
>
> More than any other newspapers, the New York Times and the Washington
Post--
> with their unmatched influence in the nation's capitol and in U.S.
> newsrooms-- have a duty to provide readers with a wide range of views on
how
> to deal with terrorism, its causes and solutions. If the purpose of the
> op-ed page is to provide a vigorous debate including critical opinions,
both
> papers failed their readers at a crucial time.
>
> ACTION: Please urge the Washington Post and the New York Times to broaden
> the range of debate on their op-ed pages about the U.S. war in
Afghanistan.
>
> CONTACT:
> New York Times
> Terry A. Tang, Op-Ed Page Editor
> mailto:nytnews@nytimes.com
> Toll free comment line: 1-888-NYT-NEWS
>
> Washington Post
> Michael Getler, Ombudsman
> mailto:ombudsman@washpost.com
> (202) 334-7582
>
> As always, please remember that your comments are taken more seriously if
> you maintain a polite tone. Please cc fair@fair.org with your
> correspondence.
>
> ----------
>
> FAIR
> (212) 633-6700
> http://www.fair.org/
> E-mail: fair@fair.org
> ====================================>
> From: X
>
> 1) Afghan Casualty Image:
>
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/10/28/stiusausa01004.html
>
> ******************************
>
> 2) US attack kills Afghan children in Kabul
>
> Live television captures scenes of tragedy, and desperation
>
> by Ali Abunimah
>
> October 28, 2001
>
> American warplanes struck civilian dwellings in the Makrurian neighborhood
> of the Afghan capital Kabul on Sunday morning killing a number of people
> many of them children, Al-Jazeera [Qatar-based cable TV network] reported.
>
> In a live report from the city moments after the strike, at approximately
> 9 AM in Kabul, the television showed residents desperately digging through
> the rubble of destroyed houses with small shovels looking for bodies of
> loved ones. The television showed several bodies being uncovered from
> under rubble, including the bodies of two young sisters. The television
> showed their father crying and utterly distraught as his daughters were
> pulled from the rubble and laid out on the ground. As people dug for
> bodies, American warplanes circled overhead, and some people ran for
> cover, apparently in fear of more attacks.
>
> The television showed, in pictures which were extremely difficult to bear,
> bodies of children being laid out inside a building. One of the bodies
> visible was missing limbs. Adults gently laid the bodies out and covered
> them with sheets. In another shot the camera showed a head being revealed
> by a rescuers shovel from a pile of rubble.
>
> The television showed a teenage boy searching among rubble of a house
> possibly for members of his family.
>
> As the report was live, and the events were still unfolding, it was
> impossible to say exactly how many people were killed. The Al-Jazeera
> correspondent Taysir Allouni said that one completely destroyed house had
> had nine occupants, of whom only one had emerged alive. In addition to the
> dead people, the television showed a neighborhood of very simple mud
> houses, which are simply pulverized when bombed, and many dazed, injured
> and distraught residents.
>
> These images, perhaps because they were live and unedited, showed in the
> most direct and shocking way what high explosives do to human beings and
> their homes. These were the most upsetting pictures I have yet seen from
> the war, and at times I found myself having to turn away from the screen.
>
> In other news, Israeli occupation forces have killed at least four more
> Palestinians over the weekend, bringing the number Israel has killed since
> October 18 to near 50. The Israeli government has announced that it is
> postponing indefinitely its announced withdrawal from the towns and cities
> it reoccupied since October 18.
>
> Ali Abunimah
> http://www.abunimah.org
> ------------------------------------------------
> This article came from
> naeem_news@yahoogroups.com
>
> News/op-eds from alternate/progressive sources-- focusing on South Asia,
> Third World.
>
> http://www.shobak.org
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> (end)
>
>
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This is a very useful Q & A series from ZNET.
"The average American is not surprised that corporations and the
government
seek to use fear of terror to redistribute funds upward by means of
regressive
tax reforms and boondoggle military spending, to gut public programs, to
stifle
public debate by calls for patriotism from the media, and to restrict
rights by
draconian legislation. But not as commonly understood is that active
dissent can
curb these trends
and can foster opposite ones on behalf of the poor, of those who work,
and of
those who need civil liberties. And dissenters continuing to dissent and
to make
known the power of dissent, are thus absolutely essential, in this, now
as at any
other time."
Eight Questions on the Direction the US
"War on Terror" is Taking
More Q & A On Terror and War
By Michael Albert & Stephen R. Shalom
1. You have expressed skepticism that Osama bin
Laden was
involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. Are you still skeptical?
Actually, what we and other advocates of democratic judicial values
argued was not bin Laden's innocence, but that evidence regarding
his involvement was not presented. On November 14 -- more than
five weeks after the bombing began -- British Prime Minister Tony
Blair declared that the evidence "now leaves no doubt whatever"
that bin Laden was responsible. But isn't the evidence supposed to
precede, not follow, the punishment? In any event, however, Blair's
evidence even at this point is not decisive -- the only real addition to
Blair's earlier dossier are quotes from an unpublicized bin Laden
video -- that Britain doesn't have a copy of, but has knowledge of,
reports the Los Angeles Times (15 Nov. 2001) --
that are not given in context and fall short of an admission.
Bin Laden's guilt seems very likely, but the point is not to
convince
Blair or one allied government or another or even us, but public
opinion in the Muslim world. Despite Washington's initial promise to
present evidence publicly, it has yet to do so.
Not only did we never dispute the possibility that bin Laden was
involved in some way, we instead offered an explanation of why he
might very well have been involved, what he was seeking, etc. We
suggested that his motive, were he responsible, was probably to
draw the U.S. into a massive response, destabilizing the region, a
result that still may occur.
More to the intent of the question, if, when a vigilante mob tries to
lynch someone, it turns out that their suspect actually was guilty, that
doesn't make the mob's actions any less vigilante. And this is true
even if the mob doesn't kill a great many people (mostly victims, not
culprits) in the process of going after their suspect, as has been
occurring in Afghanistan.
2. Critics of the war have warned about mass
starvation, genocide,
and catastrophe. Weren't these warnings exaggerated?
No. Opponents of U.S. policy, ourselves included, indicated that
human rights and aid organizations warned that the bombing could
lead to a million or even millions of deaths. And we pointed out that
ignoring this warning, regardless of whether the horror came to
pass
or not, was an absolutely devastating commentary upon our
ruling
and media elites, and on others as well. That remains exactly the
case. We also urged that it was a priority to pressure the U.S. to
stop the bombing, stop the war, and aid in averting this catastrophe.
That is still the priority, in fact.
As to what damage has already been done, no one knows. What has
happened, for example, to the large fraction of the population that
has fled to the heavily-mined countryside? And many harmful
consequences of U.S. policy will not be felt until later. What will be
the future effects, for example, of losses in grain planting that was
disrupted in October? When eyes turn away, who will be there to
assess it?
That a country embarks on a policy that puts a million or more
innocent civilians at risk for political purposes is mass-scale
terrorism. If -- and it remains a big if, regrettably -- the catastrophe
is
averted that will certainly be a reason to celebrate, but it will not be
not reason to laud those who aggravated the prospects of disaster in
the first place. Playing Russian Roulette is stupid -- even if you don't
end up blowing your head off. Shooting a gun with a bullet in a
random chamber at someone else is immoral, whether or not you
end up committing murder.
At the current time prospects are still very unclear. Yes, the U.S.
could cease hostilities and assist food distribution, thereby reducing
the prospect of catastrophic starvation. But the U.S. seems intent on
rejecting any military let-up, and any pressure we can bring to
bear
urging this course of action is no less a priority now than it was
yesterday or last week. Aid agencies warned that the crucial factor
was how much food could be gotten in place before the winter snows
and that the bombing interfered with getting the food in. Whether
enough time now remains and whether the necessary effort is made
before the snow arrives remains the critical question.
3. Some have been critical of the U.S. food drops. But
weren't these
helpful until the war provided a means to get food in by
land?
No. The food drops were pure PR, perhaps doing more
harm than
good.
And while left critics of the war certainly argued this, they did
so by quoting the World Food Program, the Red Cross, and others
aid agencies, and even the Financial Times, all of whom issued
scathing denunciations of this propaganda tool. Nothing has
changed about that. What has now occurred is that the Northern
Alliance has occupied Kabul, and what's left of the Taliban has
retreated, it appears, to the mountains, virtually without a fight,
under the weight of the most powerful non-nuclear bombs ever
created, perhaps with the intention of waging an ongoing guerilla war
from outside the main cities.
The end to major fighting in the north may well have welcome
humanitarian consequences. But what does that lead us to conclude
about the morality of U.S. actions? Suppose the Taliban were to
release, tomorrow, a proclamation declaring "we left the cities for the
mountains so that the bombing would halt -- not having us as a
target -- and the way would be clear for food aid to get to our fellow
citizens. We have sacrificed our hold on power, to avert starvation
among our people."
Would we take that seriously? It would be true that their having left
the field of battle created the conditions mentioned in the question. It
would be true that it was a choice on their part, and that they could
have instead fought on, leading into the winter, etc. Nevertheless,
we would deduce based on our knowledge of their past policies that
they made the choice out of their own strategic concerns, not out of
concern for those suffering hunger. When the U.S. claims to care
about the Afghan poor, we should not relinquish our critical
faculties,
just as we wouldn't were the Taliban to make the claim.
Note, incidentally, that it was not the case that U.S. planners "knew"
they could force the Taliban out of the northern cities before winter.
Every indication suggests that the Taliban retreat was as much a
surprise to the Pentagon as to everyone else. Just two days ago
Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was warning that though victory
wouldn't take years, it would take months (which, he observed,
meant that he had 23 months in which to operate).
4. Do you still think we're targeting civilians in our
bombing?
We never thought or stated that the bombing was targeting civilians
per se. We did say that the direct violent affects on civilians were
predictable. U.S. military planners know how often their smart
bombs, not to mention their dumb bombs, miss, and how often their
cluster bombs fail to detonate, thereby spewing future death traps
across the land.
But the real issue, from the beginning, was not the hundreds of
civilians killed by bombs, horrible as that is, but the tens or
hundreds
of thousands, or maybe more, who might succumb quietly out of
camera range.
Some will be victims of the destruction of what little
civilian infrastructure there is in the country: for example, electrical
transmission from the power station at the Kajaki Dam has been
knocked out, creating (according to UN officials) the risk of massive
flooding and crop failures (Independent, 8 Nov. 2001). Some will be
driven into the landmine-infested countryside. But the potentially
most disastrous effect of the bombing -- as we always maintained,
and as various aid agencies have warned -- has been to put huge
numbers of people at risk of starvation. And this remains the case.
And we said that the latter was the most abominably heinous aspect
of the project -- beyond that it [the War] was undertaken outside
the law,
indeed specifically to delegitimate the law, and to maintain
military
credibility, and to propel a "war on terrorism" whose purpose to
no
small degree is to organize domestic fear in pursuit of elite
agendas
of financial redistribution from poor to rich and draconian social
reaction against civil liberties.
5. There's been lots of criticism of the Northern
Alliance. But haven't
they proven pretty effective?
Criticism of the Northern Alliance has been not that they are
incompetent soldiers, but social monsters, slightly different in kind
from the Taliban, but small improvement morally. Nothing in the
past few days changes the historical record of the Northern Alliance,
and indeed, the first sketchy reports of executions and looting in
cities newly fallen under their control suggests that their thuggish
practices continue.
As RAWA, perhaps the foremost organization
fighting for the rights of women in Afghanistan, announced as the
Northern Alliance entered Kabul, "The retreat of the terrorist Taliban
from Kabul is a positive development, but the entering of the rapist
and looter Northern Alliance in the city is nothing but dreadful and
shocking news for about 2 million residents of Kabul whose wounds
of the years 1992-96 have not healed yet. Thousands of people who
fled Kabul during the past two months were saying that they feared
coming to power of the NA in Kabul much more than being scared
by the US bombing."
Moreover, while they are no doubt capable warriors, what has
occurred has little or perhaps even nothing to do with their battlefield
abilities, since there was no battle. The Taliban essentially withdrew
without a fight, apparently choosing to cede the cities to continue
the
struggle from the mountains, depending on how much there is left to
them, under the onslaught of the bombing.
6. Since the anthrax probably has a domestic source
and since the
crash of American Airlines Flight 587 probably was
accidental, don't
your concerns about creating more terrorists seem a
little alarmist?
Not at all -- unfortunately -- since people who are newly pushed to
desperation by current policies, by the starvation, by the other
continuing policies in the region, all now highlighted and aggravated,
do not overnight manifest their commitment via terrorist attack, of
course.
The assessment of this miserable and depressing prediction
against actual outcomes is in the future, not the present. It is not
unlike when critics warned back in the 1980s that supporting bin
Laden and the Mujahideen would have horrible future blowback
ramifications. To say a week or two, or even a year or two after that
prediction that it was proved false would have been a bit premature,
obviously.
7. And your worries about uprisings throughout the
Arab and Muslim
worlds (including nuclear-armed Pakistan) -- weren't
these too rather
exaggerated?
We and other critics said that the policies undertaken in
Afghanistan
and proposed for the rest of the world risked such
destabilization.
They did, and they still do. Does anyone think that Pakistan's
stability is assured as the battle moves to the southern Pashtun
region of Afghanistan, a region with many cross-border ties to
Pakistan? And if the U.S. decides to expand the "war on terrorism"
to some new defenseless venue, say the Sudan, or perhaps a not
entirely defenseless venue, say Iraq, the prospects of general social
dissolution in the region will enlarge, again.
Numerous surveys in Arab and Muslim nations show extremely
high
levels of opposition to the U.S. war, even in supposedly friendly
states. Most people are not inclined to heed bin Laden's call to holy
war, but as the U.S. pushes its dictatorial allies to join Washington's
holy war, instability is likely to spread.
8. Isn't it time to celebrate the demise of the Taliban
and return to
healing our country, setting aside all the negative talk
about U.S.
criminality, and all the opposition to U.S. policies?
If the Taliban were finished as a social force, that would be
something worth "celebrating" in that the Taliban is a horrendously
reactionary and violent organization impeding justice by its very
existence and practices. But, regrettably, it is quite possible that
they
are off planning their next actions, not disintegrating.
As to setting aside criticisms of the U.S., nothing could be less
constructive.
First, to continue to criticize and more importantly raise dissent to
pressure an end to bombing and undertaking food aid in all
endangered regions is paramount. The alternative is too horrible to
even entertain.
Second, addressing the just grievances of people throughout the
Middle East and the world regarding U.S. foreign policies is
necessary both on behalf of those who suffer the impact of those
policies, and also to eliminate the cause of support for terrorism
against the U.S.
And third, the events in NYC, Washington, and Afghanistan, we are
told by our government, auger a larger project, a war on terrorism,
whose character, as we can already see, is to be quite like that of
the Cold War. It will, if it actually transpires as intended, marshal
hate and fear through manipulation and misrepresentation into
support for policies that further enrich and empower the already rich
and powerful.
Everyone, at some level, knows this. The average
American is not surprised that corporations and the government
seek to use fear of terror to redistribute funds upward by means of
regressive tax reforms and boondoggle military spending, to gut
public programs, to stifle public debate by calls for patriotism from
the media, and to restrict rights by draconian legislation. But not as
commonly understood is that active dissent can curb these trends
and can foster opposite ones on behalf of the poor, of those who
work, and of those who need civil liberties. And dissenters
continuing to dissent and to make known the power of dissent, are
thus absolutely essential, in this, now as at any other time.
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Possibly we need a name...
There are currently 9 prospective members and 3 folks who asked to be kept
informed. We are meeting Tuesday 11/20 at 6:45 at a place to be determined.
Our agenda will consist of naming ourselves, selecting an outie and innie,
and setting up a workplan for ourselves. Many of the prospective members
(including myself) are parents, and have expressed cautiousness about our
ability to commit to too many meetings. We might be an unusual group. I
think we might be a email-based working group.
I have a concern for discussion by the CC. Since joining the MAPC, I
scarcely have time for peace work. I am not alone in expressing this.
Between email overload, the general meeting, committee meetings, and CC
meetings for outies, it's a lot. I know that some of you are doing it, and
doing it incredibly well. And I understand and support the need for a great
deal of communication and process in a new organization. But we need
structural niches persons with less time available. I don't have a
solution to suggest just yet, and I will keep thinking about this, but I
wanted to bring this up for discussion as well.
Finally, I am very pleased to see the push for outreach. I think this the
most critical thing for us right now - for all the right political reasons,
but also because I am beginning to get faint wiffs of toast at every level
in the organization. Which is not to say we are not doing absolutely
amazing things - the fast, the rallies, the art stuff, the teach-ins and
tabling, the policy and website development, the fact the we already have a
budget and money to fund it - it's all pretty astonishing. But we could
certainly use more person-power.
PeaceLoveDove, (an old hippee)
Norah
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Re: [MAPC-coord] International/National Solidarity/Networking
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I will be happy to go there. Where will it be?
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[mailto:X]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:42 PM
To: X
Subject: [MAPC-coord] action comm meeting
X, the action comt meeting is Tuesday at the same time as OE, Policy,
and Communications. That leaves X, X, X, or X to be
able to show up to explain our vote. X was a nay, X was abstain,
and X has work conflicts, leaving X. X, are you up for it?
Otherwise, perhaps a document or email listing the points would help????
X
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From: X
Date: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:05 PM
To: XXX
Subject: Did you all see this?
Dear Friends,
Forwarded to me as I forward it to you.
X
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CNN: AMERICAN MORNING WITH PAULA ZAHN
Explosive New Book Published in France Alleges that U.S. Was in
Negotiations to Do a Deal with Taliban
Aired January 8, 2002 - 07:34 ET
PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Time to check in with ambassador-in- residence,
Richard Butler, this morning. An explosive new book published in France
alleges that the United States was in negotiations
to do a deal with the Taliban for an oil pipeline in Afghanistan.
Joining us right now is Richard Butler to shed some light on this new
book. He is the former chief U.N. weapons inspector. He is now on the
Council on Foreign Relations and our own ambassador-in-residence -- good
morning.
RICHARD BUTLER, FMR. U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTOR: Good morning, Paula.
ZAHN: Boy, if any of these charges are true...
BUTLER: If...
ZAHN: ... this...
BUTLER: Yes.
ZAHN: ... is really big news.
BUTLER: I agree.
ZAHN: Start off with what your understanding is of what is in this book
-- the most explosive charge.
BUTLER: The most explosive charge, Paula, is that the Bush administration --
the present one -- just shortly after assuming office, slowed down FBI
investigations of al Qaeda and terrorism in Afghanistan in order to do a
deal with the Taliban on oil -- an oil pipeline across Afghanistan.
ZAHN: And this book points out that the FBI's deputy director, John
O'Neill, actually resigned because he felt the U.S. administration was
obstructing...
BUTLER: A proper...
ZAHN: ... the prosecution of terrorism.
BUTLER: Yes, yes, a proper intelligence investigation of terrorism. Now,
you said if, and I affirmed that in responding to you. We have to be
careful here. These are allegations. They're worth airing and talking
about, because of their gravity. We don't know if they are correct. But I
believe they should be investigated, because Central Asian oil, as we were
discussing yesterday, is potentially so important. And all prior attempts to
have a pipeline had to be done through Russia. It had to be negotiated with
Russia.
Now, if there is to be a pipeline through Afghanistan, obviating the need to
deal with Russia, it would also cost less than half of what a pipeline
through Russia would cost. So financially and politically, there's a big
prize to be had. A pipeline through Afghanistan down to the Pakistan coast
would bring out that Central Asian oil easier and more cheaply.
ZAHN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) as you spoke about this yesterday, we almost
immediately got a call from "The New York Times."
BUTLER: Right.
ZAHN: They want you to write an op-ed piece on this over the weekend.
BUTLER: Right, and which I will do.
ZAHN: But let's come back to this whole issue of what John O'Neill, this
FBI agent...
BUTLER: Right.
ZAHN: ... apparently told the authors of this book. He is alleging that --
what -- the U.S. government was trying to protect U.S. oil interests? And at
the same time, shut off the investigation of terrorism to allow for that to
happen?
BUTLER: That's the allegation, that instead of prosecuting properly an
investigation of terrorism, which has its home in Afghanistan as we now
know, or one of its main homes, that was shut down or slowed down in order
to pursue oil interests with the Taliban. The people who we have now bombed
out of existence, and this not many months ago. The book says that the
negotiators said to the Taliban, you have a choice. You have a carpet of
gold, meaning an oil deal, or a carpet of bombs. That's what the book
alleges.
ZAHN: Well, I know you're going to be doing your own independent homework on
this...
BUTLER: Yes.
ZAHN: ... to see if you can confirm any of this. Let's move on to the
whole issue of Iraq. The deputy defense secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, at one
time was considered one of those voices within the administration...
BUTLER: Yes.
ZAHN: ... that was pushing for moving beyond Afghanistan. He seemed to
back off a little from that yesterday.
BUTLER: Yes.
ZAHN: What do you read through the tea leaves here?
BUTLER: A very interesting report that the administration will focus on
the Philippines, Yemen, Somalia as places where there are al Qaeda cells.
But the word Iraq wasn't used by the man who was the chief hawk -- used as
a, you know, as a future target. So what I interpret from that is this: That
very likely our allies have been saying to us, this is too hard. This is
really serious. Be careful. Saddam is essentially contained at the moment.
Don't start, you know, a bigger problem either in the Arab world or in the
coalition by going after him. And Wolfowitz, it seems, has probably accepted
that.
ZAHN: A quick thought on the Israelis intercepting this latest armed
shipment? What that means? You've got to do it in about 15 seconds.
BUTLER: It's extraordinarily serious, because it seems to have been tied
to Yasser Arafat himself. It needs to be further investigated, but you know,
Paula, the potentiality that this could once again prove an impediment to
resume peace negotiations is really quite serious.
ZAHN: Thank you as usual for covering so much territory. Richard Butler,
see you same time, same place tomorrow morning.
BUTLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
ZAHN: We appreciate your insights.
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"Who are we calling terrorists here? Outsiders can destroy airplanes and
buildings, but it is only we, the people, who have the power to demolish our
own ideals."
--Barbara Kingsolver
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I certainly don't want to fuel the hysteria - but this is a good write-up on bin Laden, from a Time magazine reporter. Gave me more info than I knew before. Better to be informed than not. I hold no claims or assumptions to this piece, just thought it informative...
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The Most Wanted Man in the World
He lives a life fired by fury and faith. Why terrors $250 million
man loathes the U.S.
BY LISA BEYER
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010924/wosama.html
Things might have turned out differently for Osama bin Laden -- and
for the denizens of southern Manhattan -- if the tall, thin,
soft-spoken 44-year-old hadn't been born rich, or if he'd been born
rich but not a second-rank Saudi. It might have bee n another story
if, while studying engineering in college, the young man had drawn a
different teacher for Islamic Studies rather than a charismatic
Palestinian lecturer who fired his religious fervor. Things might
have been different if the Soviet Union hadn't invaded Afghanistan,
if Saddam Hussein hadn't stolen Kuwait, or if U.S. forces hadn't
retreated so hastily after a beating in Somalia, giving bin Laden
the idea that Americans are cowards who can be defeated easily.
Of course, Osama bin Laden wouldn't buy any of that. For him, life
is preordained, written in advance by God, who in bin Laden's view
must have delighted in the deaths of all those infidels in Manhattan
last week. Still, those are among the seminal detail s that shaped
the man U.S. officials believe to be not only capable but also
guilty of one of the worst single massacres of civilians since
Hitler's camps were shut down. How does any one man, and an
intelligent man, come to be so angry? And so callous? B in Laden has
considered himself at war with the U.S. for years, even if the U.S.
is getting there only now. Still, how does one man come to be so
comfortably certain in the face of responsibility for so many
devoured lives?
Last week's deadly operation took planning, patience, money, cool,
stealth and extraordinarily committed operatives. It was a measure
of the sophistication of the complex network of devout,
high-spirited Islamic militants whom bin Laden has been assemblin g
for almost 20 years. The big challenge here was will. Whence did the
will grow to do something so atrocious?
In many ways, bin Laden's story is like that of many other Muslim
extremists. There's the fanatical religiosity and the intemperate
interpretation of Islam; the outrage over the dominance,
particularly in the Arab world, of a secular, decadent U.S.; the i
ndignation over U.S. support for Israel; the sense of grievance over
the perceived humiliations of the Arab people at the hands of the
West.
But bin Laden brings some particular, and collectively potent,
elements to this equation. As a volunteer in the war that the
Islamic rebels of Afghanistan fought against the Soviets in the
1980s, bin Laden had a front-row seat at an astonishing and empowe
ring development: the defeat of a superpower by a gaggle of
makeshift militias. Though the U.S., with billions of dollars in
aid, helped the militias in their triumph, bin Laden soon turned on
their benefactor. When U.S. troops in 1990 arrived in his sac red
Saudi homeland to fight Saddam Hussein, bin Laden considered their
infidel presence a desecration of the Prophet Muhammad's birthplace.
He was inspired to take on a second superpower, and he was funded to
do so: by a fortune inherited from his contrac tor father, by an
empire of business enterprises, by the hubris that comes from being
a rich kid whose commands had always been obeyed by nannies, butlers
and maids.
Though bin Laden grew up wealthy, he wasn't entirely within the
charmed circle in Saudi Arabia. As the son of immigrants, he didn't
have quite the right credentials. His mother came from Syria by some
reports, Palestine by others. His father moved to Saudi Arabia from
neighboring Yemen, a desperately poor country looked down on by
Saudis. If bin Laden felt any alienation or resentment about his
status, it was good preparation for the break he would ultimately
make with the privileged and bourgeois life that was laid out for
him a t birth.
The family's wealth came from the Saudi bin Laden Group, built by
Osama's father Mohamed, who had four wives and 52 children. Mohamed
had had the good luck of befriending the country's founder, Abdel
Aziz al Saud. That relationship led to important govern ment
contracts such as refurbishing the shrines at Mecca and Medina,
Islam's holiest places, projects that moved young Osama deeply.
Today the company, with 35,000 employees worldwide, is worth $5
billion. Osama got his share at 13 when his father died, l eaving
him $80 million, a fortune the son subsequently expanded to an
estimated $250 million. At the King Abdel Aziz University in Jidda,
bin Laden, according to associates, was greatly influenced by one of
his teachers, Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian who was a major figure
in the Muslim Brotherhood, a group that has played a large role in
the resu rgence of Islamic religiosity. Bin Laden, who like most
Saudis is a member of the puritanical Wahhabi sect of Sunni Islam,
had been pious from childhood, but his encounter with Azzam seemed
to deepen his faith. What's more, through Azzam he became steeped
not in the then popular ideology of pan-Arabism, which stresses the
unity of all Arabs, but in a more ambitious pan-Islamicism, which
reaches out to all the world's 1 billion Muslims. And so bin Laden
at age 22 was quick to sign up to help fellow Muslims in Afghanistan
fight the godless invading Soviets in 1979. For hard-liners like bin
Laden, a non-Muslim infringement on Islamic territory goes beyond
the political sin of oppression; i t is an offense to God that must
be corrected at all costs.
At first, bin Laden mainly raised money, especially among rich Gulf
Arabs, for the Afghan rebels, the mujahedin. He also brought in some
of the family bulldozers and was once famously using one to dig a
trench when a Soviet helicopter strafed him but miss ed. In the
early 1980s, Abdullah Azzam founded the Maktab al Khidmat, which
later morphed into an organization called al-Qaeda (the base). It
provided logistical help and channeled foreign assistance to the
mujahedin. Bin Laden joined his old teacher and became the group's
chief financier and a major recruiter of the so-called Arab Afghans,
the legions of young Arabs who left their homes in places like
Egypt, Algeria and Saudi Arabia to join the mujahedin. He was
instrumental in building the training camps that prepared them to
fight. Bin Laden saw combat too; how much is in dispute.
During the same years, the CIA, intent on seeing a Soviet defeat in
Afghanistan, was also funneling money and arms to the mujahedin.
Milton Bearden, who ran the covert program during its peak years --
1986 to 1989 -- says the CIA had no direct dealing s with bin Laden.
But U.S. officials acknowledge that some of the aid probably ended
up with bin Laden's group anyway.
In 1989, the exhausted Soviets finally quit Afghanistan. With his
mentor Azzam dead at the hands of an assassin and his job seemingly
done, bin Laden went home to Jidda. The war had stiffened him. He
became increasingly indignant over the corruption of th e Saudi
regime and what he considered its insufficient piety. His outrage
boiled over in 1990. When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and
threatened Saudi Arabia, bin Laden informed the royal family that he
and his Arab Afghans were prepared to defend the kin gdom. The offer
was spurned. Instead, the Saudis invited in U.S. troops for the
first time ever. Like many other Muslims, bin Laden was offended by
the Army's presence, with its Christian and Jewish soldiers, its
rock music, its women who drove and wore p ants. Saudi Arabia has a
singular place among Islamic countries as the cradle of Islam and as
home to Mecca and Medina, which are barred to non-Muslims.
When bin Laden began to write treatises against the Saudi regime,
King Fahd had him confined to Jidda. So bin Laden fled the country,
winding up in Sudan. That country was by then under the control of
radical Muslims headed by Hassan al-Turabi, a cleric b in Laden had
met in Afghanistan who had impressed him with the need to overthrow
the secular regimes in the Arab world and install purely Islamic
governments. Bin Laden would go on to marry al-Turabi's niece.
Eventually the Saudis, troubled by bin Laden's growing extremism,
revoked his citizenship. His family renounced him as well. After
relatives visited him in Sudan to exhort him to stop agitating
against Fahd's regime, he told a reporter, he apologized to them
because he knew they'd been forced to do i t. In Sudan, bin Laden
established a variety of businesses, building a major road,
producing sunflower seeds, exporting goatskins. But he was seething.
He was also gathering around him many of the old Arab Afghans who,
like him, returning home after the war, faced suspicion from, if not
detention by, their governments.
In 1993, 18 U.S. soldiers, part of a contingent sent on a
humanitarian mission to famine-struck Somalia, were murdered by
street fighters in Mogadishu. Bin Laden later claimed that some of
the Arab Afghans were involved. The main thing to bin Laden, howev
er, was the horrified American reaction to the deaths. Within six
months, the U.S. had withdrawn from Somalia. In interviews, bin
Laden has said that his forces expected the Americans to be tough
like the Soviets but instead found that they were "paper ti gers"
who "after a few blows ran in defeat."
Bin Laden began to think big. U.S. officials suspect he may have had
a financial role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center by a
group of Egyptian radicals. This may have been bin Laden's first
strike back at the entity he believed to be the sourc e of so much
of his own and his people's trouble. That same year, U.S. officials
now believe, bin Laden began shopping for a nuclear weapon, hoping
to buy one on the Russian black market. When that failed, they say,
he started experimenting with chemical warfare, perhaps even testing
a device. Then, in 1995, a truck bombing of a military base in
Riyadh killed five Americans and two Indians. Linking bin Laden to
the attack, the U.S. -- along with the Saudis -- pressured the
Sudanese to expel him. To hi s dismay, they did.
With his supporters, his three wives (he is rumored to have since
added a fourth) and some 10 children, bin Laden moved again to
Afghanistan. There he returned full time to jihad. This time,
instead of importing holy warriors, he began to export them. He
turned al-Qaeda into what some have called "a Ford Foundation" for
Islamic terror organizations, building ties of varying strength to
groups in at least a few dozen places. He brought their adherents to
his camps in Afghanistan for training, then sent the m back to
Egypt, Algeria, the Palestinian territories, Kashmir, the
Philippines, Eritrea, Libya and Jordan. U.S. intelligence officials
believe that bin Laden's camps have trained tens of thousands of
fighters. Sometimes bin Laden sent his trainers out to , for
instance, Tajikistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen,
according to the State Department. As a result, U.S. officials
believe bin Laden's group controls or influences about 3,000 to
5,000 guerrilla fighters or terrorists in a very loose o rganization
around the world.
Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian who was arrested entering the U.S. from
Canada in December 1999 with a carful of explosives, has told
interrogators that his al-Qaeda curriculum included lessons in
sabotage, urban warfare and explosives. He was trained to attack
power grids, airports, railroads, hotels and military installations.
Visitors to al-Qaeda camps say that students receive instruction not
only in using intricate maps of U.S. cities and targeted venues but
also in employing scale models of potential site s for strikes. A
180-page al-Qaeda manual offers advice to "sleepers" (agents sent
overseas to await missions) on how to be inconspicuous: shave your
beard, wear cologne, move to newly developed neighborhoods where
residents don't know one another.
Bin Laden's far-flung business dealings have been a tremendous asset
to his network. U.S. officials believe he has interests in
agricultural companies, banking and investment firms, construction
companies and import-export firms around the globe. Says a U .S.
official: "This empire is useful for moving people, money,
materials, providing cover." Though American authorities did break
up two al-Qaeda fund-raising operations in the past year, they have
been mostly unsuccessful in finding and freezing bin Lad en's
assets.
As he built his syndicate, bin Laden also became more open about
what he was up to. In 1996 he issued a "Declaration of Jihad." His
stated goals were to overthrow the Saudi regime and drive out U.S.
forces. He expanded the target with another declaration in early
1998 stating that Muslims should kill Americans, civilians included,
wherever they could find them. Later that year, his operatives used
car bombs against the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing
224, mostly Africans. Those blasts provok ed a U.S. cruise-missile
attack on an al-Qaeda base in Afghanistan that missed bin Laden and
only burnished his image as an authentic hero to many Muslims.
Bin Laden has spoken out against Israel, which he, like many
Muslims, regards as an alien and aggressive presence on land
belonging to Islam. Lately, he has lauded the current Palestinian
uprising against Israel's continued occupation of Palestinian terri
tories. But his main fixation remains the U.S. Officially, he is
committed to preparing for a worldwide Islamic state, but for now he
focuses on eradicating infidels from Islamic lands.
Bin Laden's precise place in the terror franchise he's associated
with is somewhat nebulous. Certainly, he is its public face. But
Ressam has told interrogators that bin Laden is only one of two or
three chieftains in al-Qaeda. Many bin Laden watchers and even
ex-associates have observed that bin Laden appears to be a simple
fighter without a brilliant head for tactics. His lieutenant, Ayman
al Zawahiri, an Egyptian physician who heads the Egyptian al Jihad,
which took credit for the assassination of Egyp tian President Anwar
Sadat in 1981, is often mentioned as the brains behind the
operations. U.S. federal prosecutors have asserted in court filings
that al Jihad "effectively merged" with al-Qaeda in 1998. Mohamed
Atef, al-Qaeda's military commander, is a lso a powerful figure. He
is said to be a former Egyptian policeman who joined the Arab
Afghans in 1983. His daughter recently married bin Laden's eldest
son Mohamed. Speculation that bin Laden is in poor health -- he
sometimes walks with a cane and is rumored to have kidney problems
-- has focused succession discussions on these two men.
It's not clear that any of the three key figures actually issues
specific attack orders to adherents. Ressam told investigators the
al-Qaeda operatives are rarely given detailed instructions. Rather,
they are trained and then sent out to almost autonomous cells to act
on their own, to plan attacks and raise their own funds, often using
credit-card scams to load up on money, despite the Islamic
prohibition against theft. Bin Laden, whose general practice is to
praise terror attacks but disclaim any direct connection to them,
has said, "Our job is to instigate."
If his current hosts, the radical Islamic Taliban regime in
Afghanistan, are to be believed, that's about the maximum bin Laden
can personally do now. Under heavy international pressure to give
their guest up, the Taliban claims to have denied him phone a nd fax
capabilities. (He had already quit using his satellite phone because
its signal can be traced.) Bin Laden has been forced to rely on
human messengers. He leads a spartan life; he no longer has a
comfortable camp. U.S. officials believe he lives on the move, in a
sturdy Japanese pickup truck, changing sleeping locations nightly to
avoid attempts on his life.
He's still able to get out his message, though, through interviews
and videotapes produced for his supporters. A tape of his son's
wedding last January features bin Laden reading an ode he'd written
to the bombing by his supporters of the U.S.S. Cole in Y emen, an
attack that killed 17 service members. "The pieces of the bodies of
the infidels were flying like dust particles," he sang. "If you had
seen it with your own eyes, your heart would have been filled with
joy." What would he say about the civilian men and women, the moms
and dads, the children who died in New YorK City on Sept. 11? He
might say, as he said to abc News in 1998, "In today's wars, there
are no morals. We believe the worst thieves in the world today and
the worst terrorists are the Americans. We do not have to
differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are
concerned, they are all targets."
With reporting by Hannah Bloch/Kabul, Massimo Calabresi/ Washington,
Bruce Crumley/Paris, Meenakshi Ganguly/New Delhi, Scott
MacLeod/Cairo, Simon Robinson/Nairobi, Douglas Waller/ Washington,
Rebecca Winters/New York and Rahimullah Yusufzai/Peshawar
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I am hereby requesting the media committee to send a letter to the Editor to
Isthmus on behalf of the MAPC.
The letter (or e-mail) should go out in time to get in the next issue.
Perhaps e-mailing this Monday or Tuesday would work.
Draft Letter Text Suggestion:
"
Dear Editor:
Alexander Cockburn (11/02/01 'U.S. eyes sheer torture') notes that the
United States government has sheltered torturers around the world. One way
the government has done this is through the Army School of the Americas in
Fort Benning, Georgia, long a U.S. military training school for torture
techniques. The School's graduates have gone on to mastermind torture and
death squads in their home countries in Latin America. In fact, the alumni
form a who's who of notorious human rights abusers in the region. For ten
years, American citizens have protested the School of the Americas outside
Fort Benning on a Saturday in November.
This year Madisonians can join in a Peace Parade in solidarity with the
eleventh annual School of the Americas protest. It is being held at MATC
Truax at noon on Saturday, November 17th. For more information call
835-7501 or go to www.madpeace.org.
Sincerely,
Madison Area Peace Coalition
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X and I have found an experienced art hanger who is
enthusiastically ttaking tthis up. I'll be speaking with her upon her
return to Madison tomorrow.
Barbara
X wrote:
> Needed for Dec. 2 Silent Art Auction: One (possibly with a helper)
> EXPERIENCED art hanger. The management of Mother Fools requests that
> we provide someone - their staff cannot do it for us. Someone who
> has worked with hanging art by filament (fishing line?) before is
> needed - it should only take about 2 hours if you know how to do it...
>
> thanks!
> rebekah
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Re: [MAPC-discuss] Art Hanger Needed
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Hi Everyone,
The Policy Committee continues to push to get a peace resolution debated
in the Common Council, but will not have concrete progress to report
tomorrow night.
We have been very actively contacting the progressive alders, but now we
need to step back for a day or two (again) to give them a chance to respond.
A common reaction from the alders is that it is problematic to introduce
a resolution that gets only a few votes. This could send the message that
the city isn't for peace, or jepardize future resolutions on the same issue.
So our proposed resolution may end up
being debated after Thanksgiving if at all--we'll know soon.
It's interesting. One school of thought seems to be that even
introduction of a resolution is positive since it generates debate. Another
school is that some collegiality among progressive alders must be preserved,
divisiveness must be avoided, and you don't want to waste political capital
on something that has no chance of passing.
What do you think?
Should we do a County resolution, too?
Regards,
X, Policy Committee
XXX-XXXX (day)
242-9232 (evening)
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[MAPC-discuss] city peace resolution
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Dear friends around the world,
The events of this day cause every thinking person to stop their daily
lives, whatever is going on in them, and to ponder deeply the larger
questions of life. We search again for not only the meaning of life, but
the purpose of our individual and collective experience as we have created
it -and we look earnestly for ways in which we might recreate ourselves
anew as a human species, so that we will never treat each other this way
again.
The hour has come for us to demonstrate at the highest level our most
extraordinary thought about Who We Really Are. There are two possible
responses to what has occurred today. The first comes from love, the second
from fear.
If we come from fear we may panic and do things-as individuals and as
nations-that could only cause further damage. If we come from love we will
find refuge and strength, even as we provide it to others.
This is the moment of your ministry. This is the time of teaching. What you
teach at this time, through your every word and action right now, will
remain as indelible lessons in the hearts and minds of those whose lives
you touch, both now, and for years to come.
We will set the course for tomorrow, today. At this hour. In this moment.
Let us seek not to pinpoint blame, but to pinpoint cause. Unless we take
this time to look at the cause of our experience, we will never remove
ourselves from the experiences it creates. Instead, we will forever live
in fear of retribution from those within the human family who feel
aggrieved, and, likewise, seek retribution from them.
To us the reasons are clear. We have not learned the most basic human
lessons. We have not remembered the most basic human truths. We have not
understood the most basic spiritual wisdom. In short, we have not been
listening to God, and because we have not, we watch ourselves do ungodly
things.
The message we hear from all sources of truth is clear: We are all one.
That is a message the human race has largely ignored. Forgetting this
truth is the only cause of hatred and war, and the way to remember is
simple: Love this and every moment.
If we could love even those who have attacked us, and seek to understand
why they have done so, what then would be our response? Yet if we meet
negativity with negativity, rage with rage, attack with attack, what then
will be the outcome?
These are the questions that are placed before the human race today. They
are questions that we have failed to answer for thousands of years.
Failure to answer them now could eliminate the need to answer them at all.
If we want the beauty of the world that we have co-created to be
experienced by our children and our children's children, we will have to
become spiritual activists right here, right now, and cause that to happen.
We must choose to be at cause in the matter.
So, talk with God today. Ask God for help, for counsel and advice, for
insight and for strength and for inner peace and for deep wisdom. Ask God
on this day to show us how to show up in the world in a way that will cause
the world itself to change. And join all those people around the world who
are praying right now, adding your Light to the Light that dispells all
fear.
That is the challenge that is placed before every thinking person today.
Today the human soul asks the question: What can I do to preserve the
beauty and the wonder of our world and to eliminate the anger and
hatred-and the disparity that inevitably causes it - in that part of the
world which I touch?
Please seek to answer that question today, with all the magnificence that
is You. What can you do TODAY...this very moment? A central teaching in
most spiritual traditions is: What you wish to experience, provide for
another. Look to see, now, what it is you wish to experience-in your own
life, and in the world. Then see if there is another for whom you may be
the source of that. If you wish to experience peace, provide peace for
another. If you wish to know that you are safe, cause another to know that
they are safe. If you wish to better understand seemingly incomprehensible
things, help another to better understand.
If you wish to heal your own sadness or anger, seek to heal the sadness or
anger of another.
Those others are waiting for you now. They are looking to you for guidance,
for help, for courage, for strength, for understanding, and for assurance
at this hour. Most of all, they are looking to you for love.
--
My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness.
Dalai Lama
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[MAPC] Something from the Dalai Lama to appeal to your "inner
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X,
The Wilmar center has been booked for Oct. 30 at 6:30. As it turns out, the
fee is "donation only" b/c MAPC is/could be a non-profit. We have the
upstairs room and the Monona room for childcare. I will take care of the
key.
Re: other places for next meetings, I'll ask if I can hand this part over
to X.
I'm not sure what to say about arranging rides there for students. I
unfortunately don't have the time to do that.
Is anyone willing to consider changing CC mtgs to later in the day/eve, and
trying other places, such as the near east side?
X, I'd be glad to take the petitions. You can give them my contact info:
X.
Peace, X
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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:36 PM
To: X
Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] GM location update
X,
Thanks for the update. It looks like WilMar is the only available option for
the 30th. My concern with that location is that it's quite far from campus
compared to some of the other options, which aren't available. Can we think
of any other places? Any other ideas? If we book WilMar, we may want to
consider organizing transportation for students. I'd hate to lose or
diminish our student involvement as a result of meeting location. One
thought--we could advertise free rides on our poster (e.g., for free rides,
call xx).
X, the La Crosse peace group sent me an email today about the anti-war
petitioning that they're doing. They want to know where to send their
petitions. Could I tell them to send the petitions to you? Even if we don't
have a petition campaign yet, it seems that petitioning would fall under the
auspices of the Policy committee. I don't want to leave them hanging because
they are a small, but dedicated group and really want to work with us. I
would think we could funnel these petitions and any others that are
collected in the future to the appropriate governmental officials. What do
you think?
Peace,
X
----- Original Message -----
From: "X" <X>
To: <X>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] GM location update
>
> Hi folks - Here's the update on the GM 10/30. All places have a separate
> room for childcare. All are accessible by bus, as far as I can tell.
>
> Wilmar 257-4576: $30 per hour for two rooms. Available all evening.
> Holds plenty of people. $25 key deposit.
>
> Atwood neighborhood ctr, 241-1574: $1 per person suggested. Holds 99
> people. Avail. Tues after 7:30, Mondays after 7, Weds after 8:30. $25 key
> deposit.
>
> Neighborhood House, Mills/Park, 255-5337: Upstairs room only holds 70 -
80
> people. Gym is taken til 2002. Said we should come see it. Free.
>
> Friends Mtg House, off Monroe St, 256-2249: Left message. Said
"downstairs
> might work". Need more info.
>
> Luke House, 310 S. Ingersoll, 256-6325: Dinner in space til 7:30. Holds
72
> people at tables. Parking limited (no lot). They want a pamphlet to find
> out more about us. Told us to visit. Ask for X. Free.
>
> It appears Wilmar is the only place available before 7:30, and one of the
> few with enough space for the 100 - 140 people I've counted at the last
> meetings. While it will probably cost $90 or so, I would suggest this
space
> for Oct. 30 and we can find a different, free space in the future if
people
> agree to meet later in the evening AND less people start showing up.
>
> Shall I book Wilmar, or do people have other ideas?
>
> Peace, x
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Well, you're probably right about x being a student. As far as
"painting ourselves too student-like", I am fully aware of the role
students are playing in the movement. I am also all too aware that
the media and politicians are attempting to ghetto-ize the peace
movement as solely campus based.
The bulk of the readership of the WSJ is not on campus. It only makes
sense that we attempt to portray the movement as broader than the
campus in order to reach out to them. I don't think it will have the
same appeal if we let the media slant this as the peace movement
being student dominated. In any case, I am certainly not arguing that
students aren't well represented, I am just saying we need to be as
diverse as possible.
- -----Original Message-----
From: x
[mailto:x]On Behalf Of x
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:12 PM
To: x; x
Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-media] Fwd: Possible person's
name
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:50:27 -0500 "x" wrote:
> I think we should consider asking x not to speak (even though he
> has agreed to), to make room for a non-student. I think x might be a good candidate. He is one of the spokespeople
> for the group, and has been active for years in treaty rights and
> anti-mining organizing. He actually has a base of support in
> upstate and rural Wisconsin.
last i heard, x was still a grad student here at UW. so, even
though he doesn't look the part, he's still technically a student.
don't get me wrong, i think he'd be a great person to be in on the
interview, but that's b/c he knows his shit backwards and forwards,
and has experience dealing w/ the media, not b/c he's a non-student.
and, regarding painting ourselves as too student-like....
over 600 students came out to a campus rally in mid september. all
of
our actions have been attended by a large number of students. the
people who made the trip to DC for the nat'l march against the war
were predominantly students. if this article is about the anti-war
movement as a whole, not just about mapc, i think 1/2 student is a
very accurate picture of who's been involved. even mapc has a lot of
students involved in its organizing and activities.
In solidarity,
x
International Socialist Organization
United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223
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RE: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-media] Fwd: Possible person's name
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[MAPC-discuss] N.Y. Times: Torture Seeps Into Discussion By News Media
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"Money for schools and the poor,
Stop the bombing, stop the war."
"Peace Now!"
"No More Asian Wars"
"No More Blood for Oil!"
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, X wrote:
> Folks,
>
> after browsing the action committee page I realized that I am to lead
> the crowd in chants.
>
> Suggestions needed!
>
> What should we chant tomorrow?
>
> let me know asap!
>
> thanks,
> X
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [MAPC-discuss] NEED CHANTS
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Regardless of whether any other breakouts occur, I'd definitely encourage
X to pull together a quick meeting of the labor folks immediately after
the meeting, if only for long enough to set a future meeting date for the
labor caucus.
We (F&F) might attempt the same thing to try to recruit folks to work on the
art auction; I don't think either of those breakouts would take any major
effort.
I'm not sure if the other proposed breakouts would take great effort or not.
Perhaps we should just leave that question to the Working Groups: If O&E
wants a postering or brochure breakout, or if Action wants a Nov. 17
breakout, they can announce it & organize it.
Anyhow, that's my two Afghanis ("the currency, not the people") worth.
X
----- Original Message -----
From: "X" <X>
To: <coordination@madpeace.org>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda
> X,
>
> Good ideas, but I think too difficult to organize for this meeting, given
> the packed agenda and potential discussion of CD on Nov 17th. See X's email. I think we need to go with what we decided this time around.
>
> Peace,
> X
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: X
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:56 AM
> To: coordination@madpeace.org
> Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda
>
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:37:50 -0600 "X" wrote:
>
> > Here is the CC mission, combining X's original plus what we
> added/changed:
>
> looks great to me.
>
> > Here is the agenda:
> ...
> > 4) Announcements
> > 5) Optional - Video
>
> i thought more about the idea of having people who want to work on the
> brochure get together for a little bit after the gm. i started
> thinking about all the other tasks we try to coordinate, particularly
> things that have a lot of overlap between the different committees. i
> was also thinking about the need to make the general meetings more
> productive and worth while for people to come to, since some people
> have stopped coming because of their experience with long meetings
> that didn't accomplish a whole lot. i think that's gotten much
> better, but our gms still have a reputation which we need to take big,
> tangible steps towards overcoming.
>
> i propose that at the end of the gm we have people split up into
> working groups to accomplish specific things that need to be
> organized. we could have our own proposals as the cc and/or during
> the meeting, anyone could suggest other topics. my proposals for this
> week:
>
> 1) working on the brochure
> - already discussed as a good idea
>
> 2) coordinating putting up posters
> - has lots of overlap between o/e, communications, volunteers, etc;
> it really needs to happen, particularly this week with so many
> events coming up soon...
>
> 3) coordinating the production of posters
> - has lots of overlap between o/e, arts, communications, action,
> media, etc; there are people not in any committee who are good at
> this who want to help us; it'd be good if there was some more
> consistancy to our publicity (all posters include the mapc logo
> and www.madpeace.org, a .pdf version of all of our posters should
> be posted on the web so anyone can download, print, copy, and hang
> them, etc); it's a lot of work, and it'd be good if there was a
> pool of people who could do it and each committee didn't have to
> find volunteers themselves; etc...
>
> 4) inital steps towards forming a labor caucus
> - see how many union folks are in the room and if they're interested
> in starting to work towards forming a caucus
>
> in addition, we could use one of these working groups to coordinate
> details of a specific event. since we have less and less time in the
> cc meetings to hash out lots of details, it might be good to have
> people from different committees meet to coordinate some of the
> details themselves, and get people right there who agree to take care
> of certain tasks. the people from these groups who could then be the
> liasons between committees for the planning of the given event. this
> way, things like "who's going to pick up the art props for our demo on
> the 17th planned by action?" can be taken care of without using up
> time in a cc meeting.
>
> this is a direct way to involve volunteers from the meeting in the
> work of the coalition without them having to join a committee or
> caucus. it drastically cuts down on the time between when a new
> person comes to a mapc meeting and when they can start to be involved
> in the coalition's work. it would help the committees get their work
> accomplished. i hope it would also start to break down the mentality
> of "committee turf" which i see as developing into a minor problem
> (all the concern over "who's responsibility is this task, committee X
> or committee Y?").
>
> for this week, if there's still work that needs to be done that we
> don't have (enough) people working on, we could have groups to
> coordinate that work for:
>
> - the fast
> - the teach-in on thursday
> - the peace parade on the 17th
> - the dance party at the cardinal
> - the school supply event on the 30th
> - the art auction
> ...
>
> for each of our propoals, it would be best to find a coordinator or
> facilitator ahead of time so at the end of the meeting, we could have
> them stand up, announce their location, and have folks who are
> interested in working on that go to their part of the room. if folks
> proposed something during the meeting, they could be the default
> facilitator, or the chairs could make sure someone volunteers to do it
> when the group is splitting up.
>
> my apologies for not thinking of all of this before/during our meeting
> since it would have been easier to discuss in person than over email.
>
> do y'all think this is worth trying? if so, let's put it on the
> agenda as item #6 (or 5, if the video isn't happening):
>
> 6) Break up into working groups
> - working on mapc brochure (X)
> - forming labor caucus (X)
> - poster distribution (X)
> - poster production (?)
> ...
>
> these are just ideas for facilitators (Sarah + Channa were talking
> about the brochure at the cc meeting, Tyuet and Mike are mentioned in
> the e/o report...) any volunteers for the others? do folks think we
> need one for any of the events i listed above?
>
> what'd y'all think?
>
>
> In solidarity,
>
> X
> International Socialist Organization (www.socialistworker.org)
> United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223 (www.ufas.org)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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I give up... what are the last four words?
-----Original Message-----
From: X
[mailto:X]On Behalf Of X
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:00 AM
To: MAPC Announce
Subject: [MAPC-discuss] Taliban: terorists or freedom fighters? A
reminder from Orwell (fwd)
From G. Orwell's 1984
"On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the
shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks,
the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet,
the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the
booming of guns - after six days of this, when the great orgasm was
quivering to its climax and the negeral hatered of Eurasia had boiled up
into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the two
thousand Eurasion war crimilas who were to be publicly hanged on the last
day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces -
at just this moment it had been announced that Oceana was not after all at
war with Eurasis. Oceana was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally.
There was of course no admission that any change had taken place. Merely it
became known, with extreme suddenness and everywhere at once, that Eastasia
and not Eurasia was the enemy. Winston was taking part in a demonstration at
one of the central London squares at the moment when it happened. It was
night, and the white square was packed with several thousand people....
....A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, contorted with hatred, he gripped the
neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of
a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made
metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth an endless catalogue of atrocities,
masscres, deportations, lootings, rapings, torture of prisoners, bombing of
civilians, lying propoganda, unjust aggressions, broken treaties. It was
almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then
maddened. At every few moments, the fury of the crowd boiled over and the
voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beastlike roaring that rose
uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came
from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty
messages when a messenger hurried onto the platform and a scrap of paper ws
slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled it and read it without pausing
in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of
what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words
said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceana was at war
with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners
and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half
of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of
Goldstein had been at work! There was a riotous interlude while posters were
ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The
Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and
cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or
three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the
microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air,
had gone straight on with his speech. One minut more and the feral roars of
rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as
before, except that the target had been changed."
....
Anybody remember the last 4 words of the novel?
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I think it's a great idea. But, I don't think we can have both groups
working on specific events needs AND groups working on the other general
issues, there will be too much cross purpose work. As I think the
committees who are sponsoring the events are already coordinating the events
and asking for help as needed, I would propose the breakout groups work on
the general issues:
1) working on the brochure
2) postering for the upcoming planned events only (coordinating to minimize
duplicate efforts right now, not the overall plan of how to deal with this
in the future)
3) labor caucus - at least show of interest
As for website suggestions, the Communications cmte will be meeting shortly,
and I would like to see what develops before throwing this out to the gm.
We know there are improvements to be made, but it is working as is, and
people are posting and finding things. As always, anyone with strong ideas
on the web site can a)join the communications cmte, b)come to the
communications cmte meeting, or c)convey their opinions to the
communications cmte listserve.
peace,
X
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